I love that Guide Gun. If I could afford another rifle that's expensive to shoot, I'd have one. :lol:

Actually, if I weren't under budget constraints right now, I'd pick up a Henry lever action .22's. That frontier model (octagonal barrel) really appeals to me.

I've got one of these in a 12 ga, http://www.chiappafirearms.com/product/831

And a Ruger lever action in a 44 mag.

I'm looking for a bolt-action .243 for hunting season. Don't really care what brand.

Academy and Cabela's have both been running specials on their Remingtons, Mossbergs, and Weatherbys if you want to buy new.
If you want used.. well, enjoy your gun store & pawnshopping. :D

If you're spending your hard earned money, then you better care what brand.

That said, I recommend Tikka T3.

looked at a S&W MP40 yesterday. felt very good. much the same ergos as my sigma.

opinions?

My dad has a Python, blued with hogue grips. Without question, the sweetest-shooting gun I've ever fired. I want one, but can't afford the price of admission.

FT, I've been missing my old 30-30 lately and really jonesing for another lever-action rifle for a brush gun. They're relatively cheap, but the wife will shoot me with any new guns I bring home right now.

I've put a few rounds through the same gun with the same grips...it was very nice.

Hogue rubber grips on a Python? Blasphemers!!!

nice. i shot one of those a couple weekends ago. very fun gun. :)

i just picked this up this week. Mossberg 500, 12ga, 20" barrel. i swapped out the stock pistol grip for a foldable stock and threw on an extra shell carrier. it's my new home def weap.
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Hogue makes sculpted wood grips too. That's what my dad's Python has on it.

http://www.hoguestore.com/images/products/46200L.jpg

My dad's has rubber grips. You can call them blasphemy if you like, but nothing feels that good.

Try a Python with the Colt factory wooden grip first and then come back to tell me that the rubber grip is better.

One of my Pythons came with rubber Hogue grip (and ported barrel) because the jackass that previously owned it thought that it needed to be combat modified.

Not bad at all.:boobs:

My daughter wanted an AR-15 of her own since she enjoyed shooting my AR often, so I bought her a lower reciever for her 16th birthday. She worked a summer job and earned enough money to pay for the rest of the rifle. So far she's ran about 200 rounds through it and has it dialed in pretty good.
I was a little nervous puting pink pant (in the engraving) on a new rifle but the results turned out pretty good. She's happy and now the guys at the range wont keep thinking she's shooting her dads rifle!
http://i134.photobucket.com/albums/q...ilot/AR15b.jpg
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Nice.


I did the engravings on my XD in green. Looks pretty awesome if you ask me.

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I finally got some 20-rounds MD Arms drums in for the Saiga 12. The old East German paratrooper vest has a pocket that can take one drum and the AK mag pockets that can take at least two 5-round or 8 rounds stick mags and another loose pocket that can probably take three or four stick mags. Just not the really long 10-round or 12-round mags.

http://i50.photobucket.com/albums/f3...Saiga12024.jpg

Right now I have a list of guns I want:

Masterpiece Arms MPA30T (yes, a ghetto blaster)
Saiga 12 with all the goodies
A nice AK 47 or 74
Glock 19
A nice AR M4
SA SOCOM II
SA 1911, Mil Spec
Colt King Cobra or Anaconda
SW Model 27

I think that is all for now. Someone should make a Zombie Appocolypse topic LOL

I'm not sure about a few of your choices there (G19? Why?), but the one that really gets me is the AK 74. Why would you want the 74 when 47s are so plentiful and (relatively) cheap? 7.62 > 5.56 every time.

well this thread just cost me $100. in a good way though. I didn't realize hogue had wood grips.. yummy

http://www.hoguestore.com/index.php?...oducts_id=3183

You are correct but if there was "the scenerio", I would take the 5.56 just because it might be a little easier to get here in the US vs the 7.62x.39.

The G19 because again it's a 9mm and ammo should be plentifull.

I've never had any issue getting 7.62 anywhere.

Good call on the 9mm. That's why I like it as a handgun round- ammo is plentiful and reasonably cheap, and you can get some decent defensive rounds for it. Still, I think there are a lot better handguns out there than the G19 (or Glock anything, for that matter).

That depends greatly on what type of rounds you need.
Lately it's gotten difficult finding anything other than FMJ ammo around here (at least for any reasonable price) and I can't shoot FMJ's at my range of choice. :(
That's not saying Russian 5.56 is any easier... but you know what I mean.

I see. I've always been fine with FMJs in a rifle like that, but have heard of some ranges not allowing it. I have to be honest, if the range isn't safe for FMJ ammo, I would likely have serious concerns about their setup anyway. It's never really been an issue for me because I spend very little time at actual ranges. Having lots of open desert is nice sometimes.

The pricing of 762 and 556/223 suck. I dont ant to have to buy 1000 rounds to get afdeal.

I'd like to buy some cheap 7.62 for plinking with my .308, but I heard that the 7.62 military surplus rounds are not good for .308 Win rifles even though a .308 is = 7.62mm.

Anyone know if this is true.

There are three 7.62 rounds. 7.62x.51 and 7.62x.39 and 7.62x.54

7.62x.51 is a .308 winchester, 7.62x.54 is a thirty odd six

Yes but a 7.62 x 51 is not exactly the same as a .308 from some of the gun forums I've been on. I've heard that damage could be done to your rifle using the surplus 7.62.x 51 rounds in a .308 rifle. Is this in fact true or is it safe to use them?

I've never seen surplus 7.62 x 51. I've seen lots of 7.62 x 39, which is what the AK shoots.

They have them here. In white unmarked boxes. Usually in boxes off 100+.

Just picked up a Springfield Armory XD 40 Sub-Compact with a 3" barrel

Nice.

Wierd, since we don't have a lot of weapons that use that round anymore. I think the M14 still uses it, as does the M240B, and the M60 used to. With the 240 and the 60, though, the ammo would be linked, which doesn't translate well to surplus sales.

This is what I am talking about...get your hands on what is available. .22 LRM or 9mm, or 5.56 .223 Rem

It's still used as a sniper round.

Although the dimensions of the 7.62 x 51 NATO round are virtually identical to the .308 Winchester round, the 7.62 x 51 are loaded to a higher SAMMI spec ( chamber pressure )

What kind of firearm are you thinking of shooting the 7.62 x 51 round in? What kind of shape is it in?

They have plenty of high berms and such, but they are in a populated valley area. Frankly, it's the best setup within reasonable driving distance (for the price).
Trust me, if I had some open land available to me anywhere close, I'd ditch the range in a heartbeat. :wink:

The issue is neither external brass dimensions (which are identical)
nor pressure specs (SAMMI specs for the .308 are 62K CUP,
for the Nato 7.62 are 58K). The issues are twofold: the
greater thickness of military brass vs commercial (military
is thicker, allowing for much case flowing of shot cases),
and the headspace allowance of the NATO chambers vs the .013"shorter headspace allowance for the .308.

Shooting fresh (unreloaded) 7.62 ammo in a sporter .308 will cause no
ill effects; trying to chamber reloaded military brass that has not
been full-resized (not just neck sized) will cause headspace problems, blown cases and all manner of bad things.

The guys that reload 7.62 brass without full-length resizing for .308
are the ones who have issues. Regular sizing dies for the .308 are neck-sizing only, you have to buy a special full-length carbide resizing die to get full length resizing on the 7.62.

I recently watched a fellow trying to close the action of a very new, very nice and expensive customized FN TSR XP on some reloaded 7.62 ammo (baggie brand); he was using a wooden mallet to hammer the bolt closed. After firing the one round the action seized and even with the intrepid fellow slamming the bolt handle on the side of the table he was unable to get it open again.

We breathed a collective sigh of relief when he packed up and left.

Fairly new Savage rifle model 11. Probably had 3-20rd boxes fired through it.

This is my personal experience, so take it for what it is.

I have yet to have successfully blasted 5.56/7.62NATO ammo (not reloads) through my .223/.308 rifles. Every time I tried, within a round or two possibly three at most, the brass would swell and stuck in the chamber. I literally had to kick the bolt handle back to extract. This happened with good quality surplus GI ammo or First World surplus ammo and not Russian/Chinese steel case ammo.

.223 and .308 on the other hand; even reloads (quality reloads from people who knew what they're doing), went through my military semiautos just fine.

And this is the headspace issue I was talking about. If you have an exceptionally tight chamber, as the rifle heats up you may have issues with chambering. I've had .308's that would shoot 7.62 with no issues. If you are experiencing issues with chambering, don't use the 7.62 ammo. On the other hand, .308's in 7.62 rifles, especially those that have been reloaded, have a history of head separations in SOME rifles,as the overly generous 7.62 go/nogo chamber dimensions caused excessive thinning of the already thin .308 brass at the base IN SOME RIFLES, causing separations and/or blowouts.

Due to manufacturing tolerances, every chamber is going to be slightly different; depending on how the chamber go/nogo tolerances between the .308 and the 7.62 overlap on your specific rifle. Your .308 rifle may not work with certain ammo. The 7.62 chamber tolerances were set generous for a reason; so that they could shoot a variety of ammo found at hand from different manufactures in different NATO countries. Sporter .308 dimensions are tighter, allowing for less tolerance to specific ammo, especially reloads. That's just the way it is.

If your .308 rifle won't digest 7.62 ammo, hot or cold... don't use it. If you are shooting .308's in a 7.62, watch for base thinning. You may even want to mic a couple of fired cases to see how much case stretch you are getting. Much beyond .007-8 and you are getting into case failure range.

I've been thinking of picking up an M&P15-22 so I can plink away with cheap ammo.

Ka-threadbump...

My XD45. It stays under my pillow. It helps me sleep.

http://lh4.ggpht.com/_WDuZBlGBc80/TR...0/DSCN0061.JPG



My Keltec PF9. It comes with me everywhere I go, except work and school for legal reasons. It keeps me social.

http://lh4.ggpht.com/_WDuZBlGBc80/TR...0/DSCN0063.JPG


Sometime in the next month or two I'm going to be shopping for a replacement for the Keltec, preferably something in a .45 caliber.

Nice. Erik just sold his (my) XD45 because he didn't like that caliber. I did but it wasn't mine to keep.

My Springfield XDm 9mm. I've put around 1200-1300 rounds through it, and I love this gun. It's my first, and has really hooked me. I have 3 on my immediate want list.

Semi-auto in .45. Not sure what yet. Looked at Glock G30 and G36 today, as well as a S&W M&P, and XD45.

Want a Mossberg 500.

Want to build an AR15 soon as well. Anybody with any tips/suggestions, feel free to toss 'em in here. Maybe I'll have to start a new thread on that topic.

Remington 597 camp

https://www.hyattgunstore.com/images/P/main-1924.jpg

I'd like to get another 9mm soon. Probly a XD(M)sc or c. Then a XD(M) .45.

check out a mossberg 930 SPX

:rockwoot:, thats what i sold my moss500 for

maybe its a houston thing, but i'm on a local import site. and those guys are the most fully auto guys next to white guys that i've seen

[youtube]wPS5a1Dc-J4[/youtube]

[youtube]GPxfEDdBcnQ[/youtube]

Eagle Peak?

That would be the one, yes. :dthumb:
I'm moving to Round Rock at the end of January so I might be able to consider some of the other northwestern area ranges.

Shame you don't live further south. The guys at GT Distributors recommended a range in Lockhart that allows FMJ, unlike Eagle Peak (moot for handguns, I know, but handy for the rifle stuff).

Best of the West (texasshootingrange.com) just opened up in Liberty Hill. It goes out to 1000 yards, and doesn't list any FMJ restrictions.

Indeed. I only have the two handguns and I kinda prefer shooting my rifles.
We went to a place near New Braunfels once, but they are definitely out of the way for my purposes.

I heard about them. Now that I'm moving a little further north that place might be viable. That and the one near Seward's Junction just seemed too far to drive from my current place.

New family photo. LOL

I picked up the AR15 lower receiver today. Decided it was time to get my feet wet and build one. :D

Time to figure out how I want to build it out now.

A few items that I picked up since I came to Idaho.

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Whatever you decide, spend the money for the gas piston, it will save you plenty of headaches and time cleaning later, its totally worth it

You never know.


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iAeqj...h+div-1f-13-HM

FYI

Since I picked up the M&P 15-22 for the boy I must admit I shoot it a heckova lot more than I allow him too :rockwoot: But as a result I got tired of buying ammo locally and getting raped.......so I went to ammotogo and got a 1000 round brick for $34

Now I can't stop buying ammo every month :skep:

Double the pleasure. Double the fun.

http://www.gunsamerica.com/blog/kel-...tical-shotgun/

Damn you OpenDNS server IT people

DOmain blocked: Weapons :wtfru:

I'm now at the office and can't open anything weapons related and now can't even view Youtube anymore. :lol: Crap...guess they want me to actually work !! :rofl:

I've been reading about the KSG for about a month. It looks really cool and interesting. If Keltec can keep the price where the claim it'll be and the quality is up to snuff, I may have to pick one up. I just hope they put it out in high enough numbers to meet demand. I know a few people still trying to get their hands on a PMR30, and it's just not happening.

Pics for those at work from a non-gun source:
http://lh5.ggpht.com/_WDuZBlGBc80/TU...s512/ksg-a.jpg

http://lh6.ggpht.com/_WDuZBlGBc80/TU...ovKE/ksg-c.jpg

http://lh4.ggpht.com/_WDuZBlGBc80/TU...s512/ksg-b.jpg

OMG :dribble: I'm in LOVE!!


Asside from the typical "fluff & buff" you have to do on the barrel of most Kel-Tec's before they fire as reliably as a glock/XD I really do love most things Kel-Tec has to offer...this being something new I HAVE to have :rockwoot:

Not sure NFA will allow a vertical grip on the front thou

Isn't your job weapons related, security type stuff? Thats sorta ironic isn't it?

Thanks !! I haven't seen this. Humm...Keltec huh ? Well I don't "need" this either BUT...:lol:. I'm definitely going to look into this...would love to see one in person.

Well yes :lol: BUT it's actually for a large financial institution so the company's IT Department just pulls the plug corporate wide when a decision has been made by Human Recources as far as what can and can't be viewed.

For over 20 years it's been no issue but within the last year...weapons...nope...youtube...nope.

Gaming...gambling and porn has pretty much always been blocked but that was about it. :lol:

The simplicity of it looks like itll let it function well for a long time.

Just picked up last night.

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Hubby just bought himself a Mossberg 930 SPX... that one should be fun.

The mail man delivered a package for me today. Looks like I'm going to be trying my hand at carrying an XD45. So far, it's doing a damn fine job.

http://lh4.ggpht.com/_WDuZBlGBc80/TU...-41-12_786.jpg

When you positively have to kill every motherfuckers in the room.

http://i50.photobucket.com/albums/f3...Saiga12024.jpg

Strong work. My buddy is selling a xd45. Wish I had the cash to pick it up.

Ok, forgive my ignorance, but I have a real hard-on for a style of gun lately. I am looking for an AR-15 style rifle. I can only see spending the cash for a gun that could be used for hunting as well as plinking, Whitetail Deer but some Elk or Larger would be a possibility, but not a good possibility. I have seen the .223, but I know of few guys around my hunting area that use .223. My friend uses a AR chambered in .223 and he loves it, but I have my reservations. Any help and opinions are opreciated. I am going this week to look at a Les Baer that has been used but it is out of my price range...looking at around $600 or so, so used would be fine.

Tommy, there are some AR rifles chambered in .308 but you'll have a hard time getting one for under $600 unless you find a deal on a used one. The 6.8mm is also out there, again same price wise but I doubt it would be a smart choice for Elk. Even a .308 is borderline small for Elk size game. If it's really a big game gun you want, just get a good bolt action rifle. Bushmaster has a new (last few years) .450 chambering for their AR rifles and close in it has good energy I think, but I doubt it has any long range qualities, have not researched that one myself.

In all reality any AR platform is only going to be good for small to medium game or people. If you want a serious big game hunting rifle, get a 30-06 or larger bolt gun.

BTW, using an AR in .223 for hunting is only legal for up to white tail deer in most states. Coyote, varmints etc are all fine but nothing bigger. GA didn't allow .223 for deer until 10yrs or so ago when better bullets became available for reliable kill shots.

I have a 30.06 for hunting, but if I did get an AR I would have to justify it by hunting with it, so the .308 is really what I think I would have to go with. I want to keep a level head and stick with a budget, but if the right deal come around, I can see spending around $1,500 or so. Elk is just a dream also...its here and I will be trying a few hunting trips with my new off time and relatives in other states. I am just really loving the thought of an AR, but I dont want just a .22, and I cant see jumping into a custom right off the bat. If anyone was looking, I am moving back to Michigan, so the rules are different for hunting than Virginia. I just dont hunt smaller to focus on an AR-15 22, even though I would have a blast with that gun.


RE: Michigan is .243 or bigger so .308 is it...

Anyone want to sell me on or dissuade me from buying a Glock 27? I'm on the fence at the moment.

Are you sure you want a sub-compact?

Hes used to sub size.

Positive, just not sure one which one. In the past two weeks I've fired the Glock 27 and the M&P 40 subcompact. The two were interesting. I shot surprisingly awesome with the Glock. Tight groups, manageable recoil, solid feel, but fuck me dry to I not like the grips on it. The M&P felt great in the hand but I was not all that impressed shooting it. Maybe it was just the range gun, maybe an off day. Aside from the nice ergonomics, I just wasn't very thrilled with it. I've fired an XD40 subcompact and thought I would love it, but it's another one that left me kinda cold. Odd, since I really dig my XD45.

I'd love to hear some suggestions and experiences with the Glock 27 or any other subcompact. I think I'm going .40 this time out, so that's what I'm focusing on. I haven't got any interest in another 9mm or .45 at the moment.

I really like mine. The ONLY problem is if I have a mag without the finger extension, it tends to rise more when I shoot it. With the extension I have no problems with it and I have big hands. It's a nice sub-compact IMO...spend the extra coin for Tritium sights too, you can hit any target that you can actually see since they glow so well! The nice thing is you can use any Glock .40 mag in it too, doesn't have to be a 9 +one shot.

It may not be big, but I know how to handle it.

Was it the Gen 4 or Gen 3 that you shot of the Glock?

I don't know if the G27 Gen 3 comes in RFT (similar to Gen 4, but better IMO), find one is they make it. I bet you like it.

Gen 3. I'd like to get a hands on with the Gen 4 to see if the replaceable back straps change the feel. What's RFT? I'm not familiar with that term.

My mistake, RTF - rough textured frame (not RFT). The grips have a rougher texture to them. The Gen 4 is very similar but not quite so abrasive. Some like it, some don't... I do. I feel like I have a better grip.

RTF grips...
http://www.impactguns.com/store/medi...ock_22_RTF.jpg

Regular grips...
http://images.wikia.com/residentevil...8d/Glock17.jpg

Gen 4 grips...
http://www.sportsmenscenter.com/prod...99932_zoom.JPG

That just goes to show ya....


I'm not a fan of the Glock 27, but the XD subcompact would be on my short list... I really like that gun...

Interesting. I didn't notice the texture of the grips on the one I fired. I'll have to take a look when I go back. Really, the texture was fine, though I like the look of the Gen 4 and the rough textured Gen 3. The shape throws me a bit. It feels odd in my hands. I think it's something I can get over after a hundred or so rounds into it.

My XD (Service model, 4" barrel) is a real fun gun. I love it. I've been carrying it recently in a Supertuck holster that I picked up and it's really sweet. The subcompact didn't feel balanced to me and I didn't shoot as well with the XD40sc as I did with either the Glock or the M&P. It's odd. I'm not a Glock guy in any way, but that Glock 27 stands out the most so far.

im looking for either a 9mm or a 22 as my next gun, im looking for cheap, like cheapest of the cheapest, i have a 1911 for when it positively absolutely has to die, i want something for plinking...

any suggestions?

How much do you want to spend, and is it only for plinking? Gunbroker has a good number of Chiappa 1911 .22LR for about 250. There's a few Kel-Tec PLR22's in that price range too. You could look for a Ruger Mark II or Mark III used. I've rented the Mark III and it's a shitload of fun to shoot, far more fun than the Walther P22, and leaps and bounds above the complete piece of shit that is the Sig Mosquito.

someone posted a hp22 by cobra for like $150

I am not sure if it is the texture or what but I can shoot an RTF much better than the regular Gen 3. It might be all psychological. But either way if I HAD to buy a Glock, it would be an RTF. My ultimate favorite though is the XD9mm SC.

Bought some new toys today. They didn't have a Glock 27. Oh well. Ended up with a CZ 40 and a Bushmaster AR-15. I think I did ok.

https://lh5.googleusercontent.com/_W...-48-43_166.jpg

Lol i've had 1 for a few months now. Luv it

For a light mount tell him, nordic components makes a sweet setup


Anybody else watchin sons of guns

Some cool toys on that show....
Suppressed shotguns and even a 50 cal

http://www.redjacketfirearms.com/

Is the shop they highlight

As long as you like what you bought, then of course you did "ok".

The only thing I dislike is that I couldn't buy more. :lol:

My ar is blacker than yours.

Why does this have to be about race?
:lol:

There is my AR

Les Baer SuperVarmint 223

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v127/Hydrant/003.jpg

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v127/Hydrant/002.jpg

That's mighty nice Geoff. What brand of ammo you shoot through it?

I haven't shot it very much, maybe a few boxes (at most 5). I was sighting it in and wanted to use some pretty decent ammo, so I used Hornady.

I have a Bushmaster also, that gets most of the abuse now. The Bushmaster I just use Winchester or Remington ammo. I'm just using the iron sites on this one so for the most I'm just happy to hit the plates at a set distance.