Okay, I rode the SV650. That suspension is weak shit. It felt vague and depressing, on the mushy side of all the bikes I've ridden. But fine for the street for a new rider. Anyway, the 650R's suspension is much stiffer, and far less likely to bottom.

I wasn't talking about more experienced riders or riders with several track days completed. I know a racer (CCS) at work that ran SVs. His lap times with fully adjustable upgraded GSXR suspension were barely faster than with the stock SV stuff. And he was winning races.

I'm not saying "don't waste your money on suspension." I am saying It's not a necessity when you don't know what you're doing on the stock equipment.

I fully disagree because you never know what the stock or shop or previous owner did in some cases to the stock suspension. I am not about to advise anyone to start riding track on an untuned bike, it should be one of the first things to be checked out and set up for you before you set rubber on a track. It should at least be tuned as closely as it can, because you can get it closer to your need even if you can't get it perfect. It's like going out on tires you don't know the air pressure.

i suppose that's why i like fender eliminators and new exhausts. i don't need to be a good rider to use that stuff properly. :)

While I agree with what you're saying in some sense... you've never even done a track day, have you?


Also I think what you're speaking out against is the extreme... absolutely no riding ability and tons of mods... right? I agree with that..


Because I could ride my bike in completely stock form and not reach it's limits for years... does that mean I'm one of the people you're saying you dislike because I've been modding my bike recently?

Your statements are a bit too general, but I think I know what you mean.

It really depends on what you want out of the bike. If you are going down to the local hooters for bike night every thursday and barely riding 2 miles a week and just want the bling, mod the crap out of your bike and be happy. If you are interested in learning to ride, then yeah there are better things you can do with your money. I am not going to tell people what to do with their bike though. I didn't listen to any of this advice and knowing what I know now, I probably still wouldn't listen to any of us because I would do what I wanted to do with my money and my bike.

thats the bottom line.

and vice versa, if its not your money, and not your bike, who fucking cares?

plus one for having your suspension tuned, makes a world of difference, well not really im still slow so :idk: :lol: feels much better kudos to wheeler

I should have my shit together in time for one in august. I've been trying, and slowly building up to it. Just heard back about the back protector I'm getting, should be a week till I have that. Next paycheck is going to track plastics- yes I know they're not necessary, but I trashed my stockers once and I'm not doing that again.

I didn't mean to start a riot- not here anyway :whistle: But you're right, people blowing 5 grand on paint, or making their bike exactly like everyone else's and calling it "unique" pisses me off. The "no riding ability, tons of mods" "rolling art" "catalog custom" people are just lame. Like a Harley I saw today "Live to Ride, Ride to Live"- total bullshit. I've seen that bike out twice this season. At this point, I'm just happy to see a bike that's mostly stock that has obviously done a lot of miles. I've seen real and fake NOS bottles and turbos- on a 650- WTF!? Get a 600 and you get more performance at less cost with more reliability.

You're out riding your bike, and trying to become a better rider- nothing against that. It's what everyone should be doing. A real crash is the perfect reason to make modifications. I'm not against mods to make the bike more rideable or track ready.

I say forget the image shit, let's go play!

velocity stacks help tune the rpm of the powerband (short = high, long = low) put some longer stacks in your r6 and you should see a midrange torque bump. in my blade the stockers are long as shit and the #4 is partially blocked by the airbox top soooo, i have a set of shorter factory pro stacks on order in preperation for other planned mods :rockout:

10 lbs off the wheels doesnt equal ten pounds anywhere else, rotating mass increases at speed so those ten pounds saved could effectively equal 50 or more

Remember this, it's not your money and it's not your bike. Maybe people are happy modding their bike over riding it. It's not really your call to tell them they can't and it is a supreme waste of energy to even worry about it.