One of my first bikes was a V-Max. IDK,typically,I try and talk new riders out of 'Busas,literbikes and 750s. If you can talk a guy out of a 'Busa and into a Ninja 250,you can probably also talk him into holding his Mom while you ass rape her!!!
I am only willing to be hypocritical to a point. You'll never get me on a 250...

howd you like the max tiggs? ive always wanted one. rode a gz250 a while back, i honestly cant imagine learning much on that thing. its barely even a bike to begin with

Hmmm, im an ignorant asshole. . . and i took the advise against EVERYTHING i thought and got a Baby ninja. . .

And i dont really see WHY everyone thinks they need to start on a big bike. . . .oh wait i wanted to get an older 600/750. . .


But seriously to any newb. . .get a 250 or 500. . . . . . they really are faster then you think . . . and ALOT cheaper to fix then a nice SS bike. .

Yes they may be pretty and people look at them differently then say a baby ninja. . .

Besides a 36HP EX250 is plenty for someone learning. . . . dont need anything over 50HP

Cue the "I started on a 600 or bigger and I was fine" folks...

(Seriously, go watch a half-dozen MSF classes and tell me most of 'em would be okay if they just respect the throttle... :lmao:)

I loved the V-Max! Lots of character and a great place to learn throttle control and how to recover from a tank slapper!!!

To anyone else,I have long fought this "You HAVE to start on a 250 or you're a stupid,vain,ignorant squid" battle for decades and I will be glad to fight it with you all (if Trip will let me that is....). The problem I have with these posts is not the advice given. It is great advice. I HATE the sanctimonious fucking,"I know better than you" way you jackasses deliver it!

When I came back from the gulf and after spending a couple months in the hospital. My ass went out and spent my combat pay on the bike I wanted! So I'm with Dave on this one.

If a guy comes up to me and asks my advice on what is a good starter bike and has zero experience. I ask him what he wants and then try to bring him down a notch or two if necessary/possible. I encourage him to take classes and if I know him,I offer to help him learn the ropes. What I don't do is stand over him and tell him that all his "EXCUSES" for wanting that bike are STUPID AND WRONG!!!:panic: Who the fuck am I to tell a GROWN MAN/WOMAN what they can spend their hard earned money on? Or what they can or can't handle?


BTW Last I checked (and I could be wrong),everyone on this board is an experienced rider and we really didn't need you to come over here and counsel us on what bikes we should buy. You can go ahead and take that shit back to where ever you came from. Thanks anyway!:dthumb:

strange, more soldiers in the last yr have died on bikes (sportbikes specifically) then in IRAQ, strange but true.


and correct me if i'm wrong, but this is the "beginner's end" i assume, new rider section?

found the answer

"For future riders and new riders looking to increase their knowledge."

I agree tig... but when someone ASKS you what they should start on... and you say a 250 or 500 then they say... "aww... but I was leaning towards the 1000" it gets fuck'n annoying... or the "well I'm mature for my age" or "I know myself... I'll get tired of it'' to me those are completely BS and retarded answers... and it's hard for me not to say so.

in reality no... I have no say in what he/she spends their money on... but if you don't want my advice don't ask. if you just want someone to support your preconceived choice... stand in front of a fuck'n mirror and ask away!

in the end... that's the only one who really cares anyhow.

i disagree. thats why i became and inst. vs an i-net opinion.

but i agree w/ the rest of your comment.

personally its a good topic and should be left up cause new riders come in and search the old posts and learn from the in the informtion that you lay down

but do you REALLY care what bike every rider is on? yes I'm sure you care that he/she is safe... but the TYPE of bike doesn't really matter. or at least shouldn't.

I for one could care less what you ride... the fact that you ride, and more importantly HOW you ride... is important to me.


I too want to try instructing... eventually... need about 60k more under my belt before I even start pursuing it.