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Papa_Complex 07-22-2013 01:49 PM

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Originally Posted by goof2 (Post 531128)
Good luck practically ever proving that. Take the scenario I outlined for example. I'd consider the perpetrators of that particular fraud as the public.

Our last Premier, here in Ontario, said that he wouldn't create any new taxes. He created a heath care tax and then called it a "fee." That's fraud.

goof2 07-22-2013 11:32 PM

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Originally Posted by Papa_Complex (Post 531138)
Our last Premier, here in Ontario, said that he wouldn't create any new taxes. He created a heath care tax and then called it a "fee." That's fraud.

You believed a campaign promise? That's gullible.

Papa_Complex 07-23-2013 08:05 AM

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Originally Posted by goof2 (Post 531145)
You believed a campaign promise? That's gullible.

You don't think that politicians should be held to promises? That's cynical.

goof2 07-23-2013 10:08 PM

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Originally Posted by Papa_Complex (Post 531148)
You don't think that politicians should be held to promises? That's cynical.

Viewing campaign "promises" as anything more than a broad vision of where a politician would like to go is naive. They are not deities or some kind of dark ages era all powerful monarch. They have to depend on other people to keep the promises they make. When they are making those promises they don't even know if the people they will depend on are allies or hostile. That isn't cynical, it is recognizing reality.

fatbuckRTO 07-23-2013 10:44 PM

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Originally Posted by Trip (Post 531101)
OCP will come in now

:cheers: Somewhere, there is a crime happening.

Papa_Complex 07-24-2013 07:37 AM

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Originally Posted by goof2 (Post 531152)
Viewing campaign "promises" as anything more than a broad vision of where a politician would like to go is naive. They are not deities or some kind of dark ages era all powerful monarch. They have to depend on other people to keep the promises they make. When they are making those promises they don't even know if the people they will depend on are allies or hostile. That isn't cynical, it is recognizing reality.

And when their party has majority control and it's quite possible to do what they promised, but they don't? Or when they go completely counter to the promises that they made during the election? Or when they know that it's functionally impossible to do what they promise, when they make the promise?

Fraud.

Amorok 07-28-2013 04:40 PM

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