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06-18-2008, 07:37 AM | #1 |
Ride Like an Asshole
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A little different perspective... Have you ever met someone that was a skilled rider who regretted starting out on a 250 or 500? I haven't.
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06-18-2008, 08:33 AM | #2 |
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I started out on a 750 and was fine. Of course I bought my bike before I joined any forums and I didn't know anyone who rode sport bikes at the time. I just wanted to ride. I was also ALOT more mature than most people buying a street bike for the first time.
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06-18-2008, 11:48 AM | #3 | |
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he started on a cb350 and within two weeks he took it back for a 750 two stroke or somethin liter equivalent for the time period. i stopped listening, dont remember the rest, that was like 5yrs ago
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06-18-2008, 11:55 AM | #4 |
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After track day one, I can say when track riding, starting out smaller will definatly improve your abilities more.
I found myself "making up" for my poor technique with the motor in the straights. With a 600 or smaller one would be forced to learn better cornering to get the same lap times. |
06-18-2008, 12:02 PM | #5 |
flyin high
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i started to post somethin, but fuck this topic.
new 250's look sweet, and theyre cheaper than most used 600ss problem solved.
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06-18-2008, 12:13 PM | #6 |
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The new 250's are tight, I have one in my garage. They're extremely fun, but I think they're fun because I know that I can hop on my 600 at any time. But if I had it as a first bike, I think I would get sick of how slow it is pretty fast...unless I brought it to the track, which most people don't. If you ever think your bike is slow, just track it and you'll either hate it or have a new-found love for it. It opens even more challenges for you to tackle.
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06-18-2008, 04:41 PM | #7 | |
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One issue is that very small displacement bikes take very different lines and don't brake as much. Learning to brake hard and trailbrake is an important skill. A 600 is not a bad bike to learn to ride on the track.
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06-18-2008, 07:53 PM | #8 | |
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06-18-2008, 09:47 PM | #9 |
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blah blah blah... been there done that (I'm still on a "beginner bike", after a 250). people are going to get what they want and can pay for in the end, the best we can do is steer them towards the gear, get them to take the MSF, and try to give them some sort of understanding/ respect of the power of their bike.
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06-18-2008, 11:22 PM | #10 |
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Take a look at the horsepower/torque curves of mid-90's 600's. March, 1995 issue of Motorcyclist compared 600's and listed top torque average of 43 lb./ft. at 9,500, and horsepower around 90 at 11,500. Look at the latest 600 comparison I could find, the June, 2003 issue of Motorcyclist. Torque averages around 45 at 11,500, and horsepower averages around 105 at 13,000. The latest 600's are probably higher.
Anybody see a trend? The torque's about the same, but peaks 2,000 rpm higher on the newer bikes. Torque is what pulls you away from a stop. Torque is what newbies need. The lower in the rpm-band it occurs, the easier to ride from stop signs and around curves. The racers are saying "what about the weight? What about the horsepower? Okay, the 1995's averaged 465 pounds, wet of course. The weights were thrown off by the heavy-487 pound Suzuki RF600R (the 600 Gixxer wasn't produced in 95). The 2003's averaged 425 pounds, thrown off by the "heavy" 445 pound 600RR. Who cares about horsepower on the street. But even with the extra weight, those older 600's would be much easier for a newbie to learn on and enjoy, than the peaky, newer 600's. I would recommend an old F3 for a newbie, or even get one myself. |
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