GP85 race w/SEMRA at CMP

OreoGaborio · 08-23-2010, 06:45 AM

Well that begs the question, why use the clutch to upshift on big bikes? Clutching IS the bad habit you should be breaking

Just pre-load the shifter, roll off the gas to unload the transmission & get right back on it. It's quicker, more efficient and arguably less wear & tear on the bike.

CasterTroy · 08-23-2010, 08:02 AM

Clay know's what he's doing

OreoGaborio · 08-23-2010, 10:09 AM

Sorry guys.... not tryin to insult anyone's riding skill or intelligence, just tryin to post some minor constructive criticism. I have a habit of trying to help people with their riding as it's something that I get paid to do on a regular basis.

Clay, this will make very little difference so I don't think we need to get too into it... but when done right (not hard), clutchless upshifting does not cause ANY accelerated wear on the transmission (certainly not the gears themselves as it's a constant mesh transmission and the gears are constantly engaged). By rolling off the throttle (or using a quickshifter device) you release the tension inside the transmission and it will click into the next gear with no added stress on the internals. And with as many upshifts as you were making in that video that's a lot of added heat on the clutch plates.

People have been doing this with constant mesh transmissions forever and it is rarely ever the cause of any issues. In fact it's even a technique that I often teach to new track riders. It's one of the many advantages of a constant mesh transmission. Why not take advantage of it?

EDIT: Anyway, this thread is about your vid. Thanks for posting, it was fun to watch.

08-23-2010, 06:45 AM	#1
OreoGaborio Tony's Crack Pusher Join Date: Aug 2008 Location: Topsfield MA Moto: 2003 Aprilia Tuono (street/track days), 2006 SV650 (race) Posts: 428	Well that begs the question, why use the clutch to upshift on big bikes? Clutching IS the bad habit you should be breaking Just pre-load the shifter, roll off the gas to unload the transmission & get right back on it. It's quicker, more efficient and arguably less wear & tear on the bike. __________________ -Pete LRRS/CCS#187 ECK-Racing, Ironstone Ventures, Tony's Track Days, SV Racer Pine Motorparts/PBE Specialists \| Phoenix Graphics \| Woodcraft \| Moon Performance \| RJ's Motorsport \| Motorcycles of Manchester \| MTAG-Pirelli The Garage: '03 Tuono (Hooligan bike :naughty) \| '06 SV650 (race)

08-23-2010, 08:02 AM	#2
CasterTroy ................ Join Date: Nov 2008 Location: NC Posts: 3,028	Clay know's what he's doing __________________ “Being tolerant does not mean that I share another one’s belief. But it does mean that I acknowledge another one’s right to believe, and obey, his own conscience.” Viktor Frankl

08-23-2010, 10:09 AM	#3
OreoGaborio Tony's Crack Pusher Join Date: Aug 2008 Location: Topsfield MA Moto: 2003 Aprilia Tuono (street/track days), 2006 SV650 (race) Posts: 428	Sorry guys.... not tryin to insult anyone's riding skill or intelligence, just tryin to post some minor constructive criticism. I have a habit of trying to help people with their riding as it's something that I get paid to do on a regular basis. Clay, this will make very little difference so I don't think we need to get too into it... but when done right (not hard), clutchless upshifting does not cause ANY accelerated wear on the transmission (certainly not the gears themselves as it's a constant mesh transmission and the gears are constantly engaged). By rolling off the throttle (or using a quickshifter device) you release the tension inside the transmission and it will click into the next gear with no added stress on the internals. And with as many upshifts as you were making in that video that's a lot of added heat on the clutch plates. People have been doing this with constant mesh transmissions forever and it is rarely ever the cause of any issues. In fact it's even a technique that I often teach to new track riders. It's one of the many advantages of a constant mesh transmission. Why not take advantage of it? EDIT: Anyway, this thread is about your vid. Thanks for posting, it was fun to watch. __________________ -Pete LRRS/CCS#187 ECK-Racing, Ironstone Ventures, Tony's Track Days, SV Racer Pine Motorparts/PBE Specialists \| Phoenix Graphics \| Woodcraft \| Moon Performance \| RJ's Motorsport \| Motorcycles of Manchester \| MTAG-Pirelli The Garage: '03 Tuono (Hooligan bike :naughty) \| '06 SV650 (race) Last edited by OreoGaborio; 08-23-2010 at 12:54 PM..