Expensive Day

[Evadd]

Originally Posted by derf

Doesnt matter either way, the guy still had a seperate job to do and it wasnt to help someone who was already out of danger. If the guy was hurt on the floor broken and squirming in pain and the dude kept taking photos I would have a problem with it, from what the photo tells me, dude was out of danger

sure. not your problem, so why give a rat's ass to lend a helping hand?

put yourself in someone else's shoes for a minute: if you were trying to dig your bike out of the trees and some fool is standing 20 feet away snappin photos instead of helping, would you be happy about it?

[derf]

Originally Posted by Evadd

sure. not your problem, so why give a rat's ass to lend a helping hand?

put yourself in someone else's shoes for a minute: if you were trying to dig your bike out of the trees and some fool is standing 20 feet away snappin photos instead of helping, would you be happy about it?

Exactly its not the guys problem, his problem is that he needs to keep taking pictures of all the bikes riding by to get the best shot so that some dick on a harley might buy a picture a few weeks from then and put some food on the guys table. Is his job to take pictures and without those pictures there is no income, so yes a long as everything is alright its not the photogs problem.

Having met some of them, I guarantee that he didnt just stand there, prolly offered the guy some TP, something to drink, a chair, offered to get help, did everything he could to help the guy. But from the looks of it there were 4 other people pulling that bike out of the woods, they didnt need help

[Rider]

Dude needed to get off the bike more. Oh well, insurance will get him a new bike.

[snobuny]

Pics like that happen so fast when you have the camera, I have been there! Those cameras take up to 15 frames per second. He could have snappen all those pics, dropped the camera in a safe place and been over to stop traffic before the dust settled and it was safe for him to be on the road. These photographers go out of their way to help people, they don't just stand there and watch you bleed.

I say he was lucky for it to happen where someone could help him (or he knew the camera guy was there and trying for a good shot.....always a bad idea!), cell coverage is spotty in that area. Glad to see he had on gear, made this less painful than it could have been.

Now on to the pics, its ok to drag a knee but if you are not getting off the bike and you arn't rossi you need to spend some time on the basics! Dragging a knee is so you can keep the bike in a safer, more upright position and keep them hard parts off the ground with better contact patches on the tires......i.e. keith code!

I know when I am on my track bike and the toe touches, the rearset is next and the ground is not far behind unless I get my tush off to the side more or lever the bike up with my knee.

Hopefully someone will let him know about riding technique. Still a great set of pic's from a photographers perspective.

[Trip]

Originally Posted by Evadd

sure. not your problem, so why give a rat's ass to lend a helping hand?

put yourself in someone else's shoes for a minute: if you were trying to dig your bike out of the trees and some fool is standing 20 feet away snappin photos instead of helping, would you be happy about it?

Seriously, why are you being such a fuckin douche about this? HE DID GIVE A HELPING HAND AFTER THE GUY QUIT SPINNING. These photographers see wrecks all the time. Look at Killboy.com, there is like 2 or 3 wrecks on the front page this week. They check on the rider/driver after each one. The guy paid for a tow service to get him back up the mountain, not the photog. They can't run around the gap helping every idiot that flys off the mountain. They have no concern for bike damage, they will assist in what they can in human damage.

Seriously don't come to the gap because you obviously have no fucking idea what you are talking about and don't understand how much help the photog's are to the place.

[Evadd]

Originally Posted by Trip

Seriously, why are you being such a fuckin douche about this? HE DID GIVE A HELPING HAND AFTER THE GUY QUIT SPINNING. These photographers see wrecks all the time. Look at Killboy.com, there is like 2 or 3 wrecks on the front page this week. They check on the rider/driver after each one. The guy paid for a tow service to get him back up the mountain, not the photog. They can't run around the gap helping every idiot that flys off the mountain. They have no concern for bike damage, they will assist in what they can in human damage.

Seriously don't come to the gap because you obviously have no fucking idea what you are talking about and don't understand how much help the photog's are to the place.

is this the part where you tell me locals rule? no, that would be a waste of your time? so this is the part where you kick my ass?


in any case, i stand by statement about Derf saying "i don't need to help b/c it's not my job". that's still BS, and if you agree, then you're the kind of person i don't hang around long.

btw, if you had actual info that could have cleared it up like "the photog DID help him out" that would have been useful and i would have dropped it right away, instead of flyin off your horse and calling people a fuckin douche. you fuckin douche.

[Trip]

Originally Posted by Evadd

is this the part where you tell me locals rule? no, that would be a waste of your time? so this is the part where you kick my ass?

in any case, i stand by statement about Derf saying "i don't need to help b/c it's not my job". that's still BS, and if you agree, then you're the kind of person i don't hang around long.

btw, if you had actual info that could have cleared it up like "the photog DID help him out" that would have been useful and i would have dropped it right away, instead of flyin off your horse and calling people a fuckin douche. you fuckin douche.

Dude, you are the one who came in here blasting the photog for no reason because you made assumptions based on a photo. You are being a douche about it.

The photog's use to help pull bikes down from the hillside, they had tow ropes and would get people back on the road before anyone even knew there was an accident. The problem is that if they do that, riders can flee the scene of an accident and the photog can get in trouble for assisting. They stopped doing it because they are trying to operate legitimate businesses. They let the cops and tow trucks do the work now. They continue running their business like they should. They have no issue helping with someone injured til medical services arrive, but bike recovery is not part of their services and it shouldn't be because of the legal rammifications that can come from it.

Other locals stopped to help this guy out to guide his bike back up the hill with the tow truck people so they wouldn't fuck up his bike. There was more than this photog at this turn when it happened. The guy had assistance and was very thankful to the people that helped him out. A local even followed this man to wheeler's because he had no rear brake and a partially stuck throttle, but that probably isn't helpful enough to you.

[Evadd]

Originally Posted by Trip

Dude, you are the one who came in here blasting the photog for no reason because you made assumptions based on a photo. You are being a douche about it.

The photog's use to help pull bikes down from the hillside, they had tow ropes and would get people back on the road before anyone even knew there was an accident. The problem is that if they do that, riders can flee the scene of an accident and the photog can get in trouble for assisting. They stopped doing it because they are trying to operate legitimate businesses. They let the cops and tow trucks do the work now. They continue running their business like they should. They have no issue helping with someone injured til medical services arrive, but bike recovery is not part of their services and it shouldn't be because of the legal rammifications that can come from it.

Other locals stopped to help this guy out to guide his bike back up the hill with the tow truck people so they wouldn't fuck up his bike. There was more than this photog at this turn when it happened. The guy had assistance and was very thankful to the people that helped him out. A local even followed this man to wheeler's because he had no rear brake and a partially stuck throttle, but that probably isn't helpful enough to you.

some of that is helpful; thanks for providing info. had you done it from the beginning, i would have shut up. but no, you came running back with your unnecessary name-calling. pretty douchey of yourself.

Bonesaw - no trolling here. been here for a couple years after CF went under. i don't post all that much, but am around more now that i miss a lot of the CF people.

anywho, i apologize for getting the thread off track.

[derf]

Originally Posted by Evadd

some of that is helpful; thanks for providing info. had you done it from the beginning, i would have shut up. but no, you came running back with your unnecessary name-calling. pretty douchey of yourself.

Bonesaw - no trolling here. been here for a couple years after CF went under. i don't post all that much, but am around more now that i miss a lot of the CF people.

anywho, i apologize for getting the thread off track.

Naw I still gotta disagree with you, its not the photogs job. I'm sure he would have helped if the guy was dying on the road but the guy needs to make a living, and the only way they make money is by taking photos, plus how many asshats do you think wreck right in front of them? If they tried to help recover every bike they would never take any pictures.

[Kaneman]

I've never seen a NASCAR camera man run onto the track after a crash to make sure the driver was ok...

Just sayin'