Arizona bill would deny citizenship to children of illegal immigrants

[derf]

The guy is just trying to make the point that illegals are a problem. I dont think they expect it to actually become a law, just to make headlines and get folks like us to talk about it.

I can't stand behind this law because it is way out there. And yes it is exactly what the original framer intended, that all their kids who were born in the US automatically became citizens.

Now, I can also stand behind what smittie said about kids becoming wards of the state

[Kaneman]

Yea, because kids raised by the Government turn out fine right?

[derf]

Originally Posted by Kaneman

Yea, because kids raised by the Government turn out fine right?

Nope, i expect the US to royally screw up every kid it gets,

[goof2]

Originally Posted by Kaneman

Yea, because kids raised by the Government turn out fine right?

Maybe that should be something the parents should consider before putting their child in that situation.

[Kaneman]

Originally Posted by derf

Nope, i expect the US to royally screw up every kid it gets,

Absolutely, and then turn them loose in society with whatever problems they've developed.

Originally Posted by goof2

Maybe that should be something the parents should consider before putting their child in that situation.

Its probably something they considered when they decided to leave behind everything they've ever known and risk life, limb and freedom to make it to a country that, even with menial work, they have a much higher chance to have a decent quality of life in. I mean, Detroit is a shithole but I'd rather live there than Juarez.

I understand where you guys are coming from, but I can't be angry or wish ill against people who are simply trying to make it. I'm not anointing them as saints or even excuse any of the bad behavior that may be displayed when they come here (Hey Spic, our sewers here actually work in all 50 states. Flush your fucking toilet paper before I make you eat it.) But, I can see it from their point of view.

If you want to be America the great and free and all the other bullshit every politician from here to NYC spouts on a daily basis then you have to fight against discriminatory immigration policies. And if you don't want to do that you can still rally against American government policies that put other countries in dire situations, such as the war on drugs which is currently decimating northern Mexico.

Originally Posted by Smittie61984

Between government schools, government hand outs, and more we pretty much are already raised by the government. And yes we turn out fucked up dumbasses.

If the parents know that just becuase their kid is born in the US and becomes a citizen it doesn't mean they get to stay, I bet you'll see a lot less women coming across the border the minute they feel labor pains.

You speak as if loving parents in a stable environment count for nothing. Can you give specific examples of women crossing the border when they're about to bust or account for what percentage they make up of total illegal immigrants?

[goof2]

Originally Posted by Kaneman

Its probably something they considered when they decided to leave behind everything they've ever known and risk life, limb and freedom to make it to a country that, even with menial work, they have a much higher chance to have a decent quality of life in. I mean, Detroit is a shithole but I'd rather live there than Juarez.

I understand where you guys are coming from, but I can't be angry or wish ill against people who are simply trying to make it. I'm not anointing them as saints or even excuse any of the bad behavior that may be displayed when they come here (Hey Spic, our sewers here actually work in all 50 states. Flush your fucking toilet paper before I make you eat it.) But, I can see it from their point of view.

If you want to be America the great and free and all the other bullshit every politician from here to NYC spouts on a daily basis then you have to fight against discriminatory immigration policies. And if you don't want to do that you can still rally against American government policies that put other countries in dire situations, such as the war on drugs which is currently decimating northern Mexico.

I can see it from their point of view as well, but that doesn't mean they should get a free pass either. They get caught breaking our immigration laws they should be sent home. If any of their kids are legal they can either stay and be wards of the state, like any child with American citizenship without family available to take care of them, or they can go with their parents and be welcome back anytime they decide.

Our federal immigration policies aren't really designed to intentionally discriminate against brown or black. They are primarily designed to discriminate against a lack of green. With no money and little chance of significantly contributing to the taxpayer base it is going to be pretty damn difficult to enter the country legally no matter what a person's skin color is.

Mexico had plenty to do with putting themselves in their dire situation. The war on drugs may not be helping but the Mexican government has a lot more to do with their current situation.

[Smittie61984]

Originally Posted by Kaneman

You speak as if loving parents in a stable environment count for nothing. Can you give specific examples of women crossing the border when they're about to bust or account for what percentage they make up of total illegal immigrants?

Yeah
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=U_ZnX9JRo5M

[Smittie61984]

Originally Posted by Kaneman

Yea, because kids raised by the Government turn out fine right?

Between government schools, government hand outs, and more we pretty much are already raised by the government. And yes we turn out fucked up dumbasses.

If the parents know that just becuase their kid is born in the US and becomes a citizen it doesn't mean they get to stay, I bet you'll see a lot less women coming across the border the minute they feel labor pains.

[Homeslice]

I don't think they "consider" much of anything, including birth control.

[Papa_Complex]

While Kavanagh is absolutely wrong about the intent of The Framers, where the concept of being born to citizenship is concerned, I think that it would be a reasonable accommodation to state that the parents must actually be in the country legally for the 14th Amendment to apply.