Epic Helmet Law Protestor is Epic

[askmrjesus]

Originally Posted by OneSickPsycho

I find it very disturbing when we think alike... I just posted this on the TL site earlier today...Originally Posted by OneSickPsych View Post
Here's the problem with that 'argument'... Only stupid people argue that you are safer without a helmet in ANY way... However, the problem with helmet laws is that they are unnecessary... just like seatbelt laws... they are meant to protect people who are too stupid to protect themselves...

We don't give motorcycle licenses to children or the mentally handicapped, and yet many riders choose to act like one (or both...)

Originally Posted by OneSickPsycho

Our government was NOT created to be our mommy... It was created with the sole intent on protecting our way of life against foreign governments and our ability to live the American ideal without someone else punching us in the face with their ideals... life, liberty, and the pursuit of happiness...

These laws violate liberty in it's sincerest form and frankly fucking disgust me. Laws like these are EXACTLY what the founding fathers were fighting against and EXACTLY why people first settled here in the first place... The idea that someone else knows what's best for you and forces, via law or military conflict, you to conform.

Yeah, like Stop signs. Who do these people think they are, telling ME where to stop?

You talk a lot about liberty, which is fine, but what you don't talk (or, apparently, think) about, is how your stupid decisions effect others.

"My head, my problem", is bullshit. It's going to be someone's problem, besides yours.

Some poor schmuck is going to have to clean your brains off the pavement. I've never had to do that, but I'm guessing it's a pretty fucked up job to have. Another guy is going to have drive out to your place, and tell your wife/kids/mom that you're stupid ass is dead. Also unpleasant.

If you're inconsiderate enough to die on the spot, instead of waiting until you get the hospital, guess what happens? They close the road for a few hours, while the investigation is done. Die on the freeway, they close the freeway. Now hundreds, if not thousands of people have lost their liberty to proceed, all because you decided to be French that day.

Seems just a tad selfish to me.

JC

[OneSickPsycho]

Those people would all have those shit jobs no matter what you did, aside from banning all cars, motorcycles, etc.

And you are right, we don't have any "right" to drive, but those rules of the road are there to protect OTHER people from your dumbass, not to protect you from yourself.

No need for personal responsibility in your world, I guess... Just wait for momma gub'ment's teet to tell you what's best for you.

[askmrjesus]

Originally Posted by OneSickPsycho

Those people would all have those shit jobs no matter what you did, aside from banning all cars, motorcycles, etc.

Yes they would. I just don't see any reason I should make their job even worse.

Originally Posted by OneSickPsycho

No need for personal responsibility in your world, I guess... Just wait for momma gub'ment's teet to tell you what's best for you.

Personal responsibility in "my world", means taking care of yourself, so others don't have to.

You have the right to walk deep into the woods, with no map, compass or water. Does that sound like something a responsible person would do?

JC

[OneSickPsycho]

Originally Posted by askmrjesus

Yes they would. I just don't see any reason I should make their job even worse.



Personal responsibility in "my world", means taking care of yourself, so others don't have to.

You have the right to walk deep into the woods, with no map, compass or water. Does that sound like something a responsible person would do?

JC

No, it doesn't sound like something a responsible person would do... does that mean there should be a law against it? I mean, people would have to form search parties and tons of resources would be used to look for your wandering ass... so yeah, that should be outlawed.

Come to think of it... alcohol causes health problems, traffic fatalities, etc, we should just outlaw alcohol. You know, because us Americans obviously cannot make good decisions for ourselves.

Drugs should certainly remain outlawed too... Afterall, people OD, ruin their lives, etc, etc because of drugs... mommy government obviously knows what's best for us there too... Keep up the good work War on Drugs!

You know what else should be outlawed? Fast food. Terrible shit... serves no purpose, makes people fat, and causes other health problems that hospitals and insurance companies have to deal with. We need laws against that.

Shit... you know what... Motorcycles don't really serve much of a purpose, fuck helmet laws, we should just ban those. You can get similar MPG's with some hybrids and even better with scooters that offer more storage and still maintain point A to point B transportation. People are far more likely to get hurt or killed on them, which again, makes people who have to clean that shit up, etc, more inconvenienced - helmets or no. There should be laws against those things too.

It's simple... If my actions do not hurt or harm others... or have the potential to hurt or harm others (ie your goofy stop sign statement)... it should not be momma gub'ment's job to police it... technically, it's not supposed to be. Shoveling up my brains on the highway and inconveniencing travelers who have to wait for me to get pressure washed off the highway is NOT hurting or harming anyone other than myself.

[askmrjesus]

Originally Posted by OneSickPsycho

No, it doesn't sound like something a responsible person would do... does that mean there should be a law against it? I mean, people would have to form search parties and tons of resources would be used to look for your wandering ass... so yeah, that should be outlawed.

Come to think of it... alcohol causes health problems, traffic fatalities, etc, we should just outlaw alcohol. You know, because us Americans obviously cannot make good decisions for ourselves.

In a way, you're right. If "we" were able to make good decisions on our own, we wouldn't need a law against DUI. So if you drive drunk, but don't actually run over anybody, is the DUI law just an infringement on your right to make bad decisions? Hey, you didn't hurt anybody, right?

Originally Posted by OneSickPsycho

Shoveling up my brains on the highway and inconveniencing travelers who have to wait for me to get pressure washed off the highway is NOT hurting or harming anyone other than myself.

Tell that to the people who lost wages, and the companies that lost productivity while their employees were waiting for the mess you caused to get cleaned up.

Just because you don't give a fuck about other peoples problems, doesn't excuse you from causing them.

JC

[OneSickPsycho]

Originally Posted by askmrjesus

In a way, you're right. If "we" were able to make good decisions on our own, we wouldn't need a law against DUI. So if you drive drunk, but don't actually run over anybody, is the DUI law just an infringement on your right to make bad decisions? Hey, you didn't hurt anybody, right?

Tell that to the people who lost wages, and the companies that lost productivity while their employees were waiting for the mess you caused to get cleaned up.

Just because you don't give a fuck about other peoples problems, doesn't excuse you from causing them.

JC

See... law against DUI protects OTHER people. That's what you're not addressing...

And again, an inconvenience... nobody else is directly getting hurt or killed because I didn't wear my helmet and ended up as a skidmark on the highway. So again, if you are REALLY concerned about inconveniencing others, we should just ban motorcycles... I mean, if I get run over by a semi, the highway is going to be shut down for a LONG time...

[Tmall]

Originally Posted by askmrjesus

In a way, you're right. If "we" were able to make good decisions on our own, we wouldn't need a law against DUI. So if you drive drunk, but don't actually run over anybody, is the DUI law just an infringement on your right to make bad decisions? Hey, you didn't hurt anybody, right?



Tell that to the people who lost wages, and the companies that lost productivity while their employees were waiting for the mess you caused to get cleaned up.

Just because you don't give a fuck about other peoples problems, doesn't excuse you from causing them.

JC

Is it a right to not be inconvenienced on roads that you don't have a right to use?

[Fleck750]

Courtesy doesn't exist any more, that's why there are so many laws. *sigh*

[OneSickPsycho]

Originally Posted by askmrjesus

OK, let's address it. Where do you stand on mandatory eye protection laws for motorcyclists?
You have a really odd way of looking at things. The obvious solution in your scenario, would be to ban semi trucks.

You keep mentioning the word "ban" in your posts. You're trying to make the point that, banning something, is a logical extension of safety laws. You are, of course, kidding. Well here's the thing: Some asshole in a government office somewhere, is having the same thought, only he's not kidding.

We are a minority, and public perception is already against us. As it stands, I can walk into a shop, and buy a stock bike that will almost double any state speed limit. Every time some asshat offs himself on a bike, some asshole wants to ban them, or limit their performance. For me, helmet laws decrease the odds of that happening. Less dead people = less press. Less press = fast motorcycles.

Sure, I care about the "common good", but my reasoning is also self serving.

Another great thing about helmet laws? Who's more likely to get pulled over, me in full gear, or some cruiser dude in a fake D.O.T. beanie? It's a win/win. Cruiser dude has probably been bar hopping, so there's another drunk off the road, and less cops available to hassle me.



I look at it as a courtesy issue. If I smoke, I go outside. When I ride, I wear a helmet.

JC

Eye protection... that's a tough call... I'd say there could be a good case for eye protection as it could cause a rider to hit someone else due to not seeing.

Understand that I'm AGATT... but that's my choice. However, don't kid yourself that those asshats in Washington would be looking at banning shit less in lieu of mandatory training, helmets, etc... Old ladies will still be pissed off about how loud they are, soccer moms will still be up in arms about how fast they are, and politicians will still look for any reason to fuck up our trip to gain a few votes.

[Particle Man]

The "freedom" folks are overlooking the fact that operating any kind of motor vehicle on public highways is a not a "right."