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07-12-2008, 11:59 AM | #1 | |
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I gotta admit, I like the XR as well! But I don't think Harley would sell any here. OSP helped me realize, the market and roads are different here. That's why Europe gets all the good stuff. Americans are perfectly content going no faster than 55 in a straight line, as loudly as possible for 7 hours straight.
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07-12-2008, 12:52 PM | #2 | |
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The XR1200 IS coming to the US. Dealers are beginning to take orders. If you want one, drop your deposit. |
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07-12-2008, 02:21 PM | #3 | |
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07-12-2008, 04:06 PM | #4 |
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You're refering to the fact that alot of Gm's sedans share the same platform right? Um,the Pontiac G6, Opel Vectra (sp?),Malibu Maxx (which I mentioned earlier), Saab 9-3,etc. Having the same platform doesn't make them the same car but anyway,you're kinda making my point. Gm isn't taking great cars and making them "better,higher quality".They are buying an established make with a strong following and making it a GM product with a foreign maker's name on it. Which is what some people are afraid HD is going to do with MV. You see,the Saabs,Opels,etc that you see now aren't Saabs,Opels,etc. They are Malibus and Saturns with another brand's name on them. Oh and Saturns were modified Opels initially but now they are almost one and the same model for model.Are we ready for a Cagiva or Mv that is really a Buell Lighting with different badging?
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07-12-2008, 04:11 PM | #5 |
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Oh and here is the coolest car Opel has out,look familiar? Man,I still love it!
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07-12-2008, 04:20 PM | #6 |
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Sorry Opel fan here! My first three cars were a Opel Manta,Opel Manta GT and a Alfa Romero Alfasud V4. Oh and Opel has been a part of GM since 1929 but began production in 1899... So it's kinda silly to say that GM is making Opel cars. That would be like saying GM is making re-badged Pontiacs.
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07-12-2008, 04:24 PM | #7 | |
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The Saturn line is mostly what i was talking about. The new Astra is an Opel... still has all the euro shit on it, turn signals, radio etc. I belive the Vue is an Opel as well... Aura still an "american" made car. |
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07-12-2008, 05:23 PM | #8 | |
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For example,let's say that MVs come with Blackstone rims (my fav!) and MV still only produces 5000 bikes for a total sale of 10,000 rims. Just because it's HD at the door doesn't mean that BST is gonna cut them a better deal does it? Now,if HD knocks on the door and says give us 50,000 rims because we are gonna start using them on Buells then sure they can get a better price. Unfortunately,we all know that most likely HD will stop buying expensive and beautiful BST and start putting Chinese made Enkeis on the MV. MV uses expensive Brembo premium brake components on their bikes now and Buell uses Nissin (I believe),which do you think will happen,Buell gets Brembo or MV gets Nissin? Ohlins vs whatever is on the Buells,etc. I'm saying that IF HD wants to bring the price down on MVs,serious component downgrades will be necessary. You will never be able to buy a 312 for $11,399.... |
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07-12-2008, 10:11 PM | #9 |
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harleys have alota gd shit internally. externally, it looks the same, bcuz thats what their main consumer wants. the vrod is forward thinkin in harley terms, but ALOT of diehard harley guys hated it when it came out. "wtf? a radiator? get that jap crap outta here!" took em awhile to warm up to it.
i think itll make the buells better(especially in the sales dept), and mv will probably remain unchanged. maybe alil less overall bikes produced, makin them alil rarer, but its not gonna be like when amf bought harley
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07-13-2008, 10:47 AM | #10 | ||
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I don't know that any of this will make that much of a difference, but it could. The question is whether HD will chose to pass any of these discounts down to us domestically. They could chose to keep the price high in order to keep it a high end marque and simply pocket the cost savings as profit. Conversely, how many more bikes could MV sell with equal per bike profit were the savings passed on to the buying public? What if they could reduce the price by 15-20% due to cost savings and this resulted in 50% more bikes sold? None of these savings would necessarily cause a cheapening of MV bikes from a quality stand point. They would only need to gain enough of a discount to make a difference. This is what HD is very good at doing. We'll see what happens. They may simply treat MV as a separate entity and provide it with absolutely no savings in common sourcing. I kinda doubt it, but it could happen. Quote:
The similarity between the 1125R and the XB line is probably like 10-15% parts similarity with most of those being fasteners, wheels, brake, and body components. My understanding is that after 2010, the air/oil-cooled XB line will be no more. At that point Buell will have as much to with HD as MV will. MV and Buell will become much more similar. Perimeter brake MV? Dual rotor Brembo Buell? Trellis frame Buell? Fuel in frame MV? What a cool parts bin it will be between MV and Buell. I can't wait to see what beast comes out of that marriage. |
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