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Old 02-23-2009, 08:28 AM   #1
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The new motor keeps up with the all powerful and awe inspiring Gsxr 750.. Considering it's a street oriented v-twin, I'd say that's impressive.

Compare it to the geared down 1125cr, and I doubt it'll touch it on the street.

So, what exactly is the problem with a 145hp v-twin that makes 85lb of tq?
another bike that hasnt seen much in the way of power gains in a decade
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Old 02-23-2009, 09:04 AM   #2
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Old 02-23-2009, 05:24 PM   #3
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I dont down buells, I hate the new bike, and would take the 9 or 12 over it looks and ride wise for me.

But for a new bike to come out as the new "HOT" model with power and handling less than a 10 year old bike (the Aprilia chasis was better) it just doesnt say much for the company and designer.

I doubt the Buell would compete with the 750 on a day to day basis either. I had less money in my 99 TL than a new buell costs new and it would have walked all over the thing with the mods I had on it, and that was a shit selling bike, Ill take my money and buy a good used priller and give it some love and have a blast all the way to the bank. Maybe with some decent designers and some money backing them, we might see a nice twin again besides an over costly high maint. Ducati which seems to be the only true twin builder year after year.
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Old 02-23-2009, 05:33 PM   #4
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I dont down buells, I hate the new bike, and would take the 9 or 12 over it looks and ride wise for me.

But for a new bike to come out as the new "HOT" model with power and handling less than a 10 year old bike (the Aprilia chasis was better) it just doesnt say much for the company and designer.

I doubt the Buell would compete with the 750 on a day to day basis either. I had less money in my 99 TL than a new buell costs new and it would have walked all over the thing with the mods I had on it, and that was a shit selling bike, Ill take my money and buy a good used priller and give it some love and have a blast all the way to the bank. Maybe with some decent designers and some money backing them, we might see a nice twin again besides an over costly high maint. Ducati which seems to be the only true twin builder year after year.
might not even have to go used, ive been earing about 'priller dealers unloading old stock rsvs (do we call them twos now? ) in the 9-10 k range
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Old 02-23-2009, 06:15 PM   #5
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another bike that hasnt seen much in the way of power gains in a decade
The Gsxr? It's putting down more whp than that 954 does stock.. Not that I like gsxrs. But, it's definitely seen changes.
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The Gsxr? It's putting down more whp than that 954 does stock.. Not that I like gsxrs. But, it's definitely seen changes.
barely. in the same time it took the 750 to pick up 6hp (6 years) the 600 gained 16 and the 1000 grabbed 21.

in your other statement, you might be right on power. very wrong on torque, and mine is lighter
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barely. in the same time it took the 750 to pick up 6hp (6 years) the 600 gained 16 and the 1000 grabbed 21.

in your other statement, you might be right on power. very wrong on torque, and mine is lighter
And the Buell gained 50! At the loss of 3 ft/lbs. It "only" has 82-83 now..

So, now it's down 20hp on an i4 litre. Keep in mind.. If I wanted an I4 litre. That's exactly what I would have bought. Not to mention it makes more tq off idle than the i4s do up until 11-12k rpm.

I'll point it out again, Buell makes street bikes that are race capable. In the hands of the right rider, it will more than keep up on the track. In the hands of a novice rider, it'll keep up easily on the street until you get to the highway. I don't ride much highway, we have hundreds and hundreds of miles of twisties here.

If the only corners I had were onramps. I'd probably care about peak hp. But, with the twisties here, I put it in third and use the tq. I'm good from about 15mph to about 80 mph in third gear. And it pulls from all rpm.

YMMV but, I got a brand new motorcycle for 2/3 the cost of a litre bike. And all I lost was the ability to hit 186mph.
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There were a couple selling points on the old Buells I liked alot. Easy maint. No valve checks. Belt driven, so no more cleaning and tighten a chain. I love twins far more than an I4. Every Buell ive been on was a all day comfortable riding posture. Decent street suspension, and capable brakes. Wasnt the biggest fan of the perimeter brake rotor. They have factory upgrades that made sense for the bike. One day ill probably own one. I have my lil 929 street fighter project now and its been fun so far.

I happen to think they might have went away from what really made sense with the bikes on the newest version. Back to valve adjustments and trying to compete in a market their not ready for. Kinda like BMW and Moto Guzzi they build bikes designed for a purpose, stick with what works first.

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I dont down buells, I hate the new bike, and would take the 9 or 12 over it looks and ride wise for me.
I would too...and did. I LOVE the engine in this bike. Like you said...super easy...very little maintenence...endless torque and an unbeatable sound.
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Old 02-24-2009, 10:03 AM   #10
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And the Buell gained 50! At the loss of 3 ft/lbs. It "only" has 82-83 now..

So, now it's down 20hp on an i4 litre. Keep in mind.. If I wanted an I4 litre. That's exactly what I would have bought. Not to mention it makes more tq off idle than the i4s do up until 11-12k rpm.

I'll point it out again, Buell makes street bikes that are race capable. In the hands of the right rider, it will more than keep up on the track. In the hands of a novice rider, it'll keep up easily on the street until you get to the highway. I don't ride much highway, we have hundreds and hundreds of miles of twisties here.

If the only corners I had were onramps. I'd probably care about peak hp. But, with the twisties here, I put it in third and use the tq. I'm good from about 15mph to about 80 mph in third gear. And it pulls from all rpm.

YMMV but, I got a brand new motorcycle for 2/3 the cost of a litre bike. And all I lost was the ability to hit 186mph.
have you ridden a modern liter bike? I had ridden a ZX11D1 for years, hell of a lot of low end power comes on like a big block (pick your favorite manufacturer), I now own an 06 ZX10R it will do 100MPH in first and I can also do corners in 3rd (hell and do about 120 if needed) there is plenty of power in third.

one question for ya, if a V twin will keep up with an I4, why do they need such a bigger motor at the race track?
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