FUCK YEA! That would be a great bike for my girlfriend!!!

quiet you!

Naw for real! An 1125 for $4000? Heck, yea that would kick fucking ass! I honestly feel bad for the people that lost their jobs and I know that this will be a touchy subject for Buell and Harley faithful. believe it or not, I don't want to get into a pissing match with Buell lovers but if you take some time to check my replys to Fat Bastards Buell for sale threads you'll notice that I foresaw this very thing months ago... I knew that there was no fucking way that dealers had that many damn bikes on the lot without there being a major problem. The guys I feel sorry for, are the ones that bought one of these bikes at the beginning of the year or a few months ago for anything approaching retail. That would have to REALLY suck!!!:panic: Shit I get pissed if I fill my tank and gas goes down 2 cents a gallon!!!!

i hear you man but imagine the shitstorm when she jumps right over 600s to an 1125! i mean it may not be much quicker than one but you now its comin!






































:P :P :P

Shit... does that mean like 11 of you motherfuckers are going to be rockin' the CR's I yearn for?

You cannot be serious?

They dont reve slow nor do they rev high. They dont need to. Keep riding your inline.

You f'in people speak about things you know nothing about. You have not read a contract, do not know the agreements between Erik and HD about Buell. Most of the nay sayers haven't even rode one. And if they did, they didn't understand how to make the bike perform. Bitching about things they know nothing about. Then some come in here with some holly then thou attitude. As if their bikes dont have downfalls, break downs, etc. No bike is perfect. The buells inspired passion and yes some level of cult type following. Why cult like following... cause they were different and had to constantly defend their standing. That type of life brings upon calluses and a ruff exterior towards people that go against their grain (which I admit may be against the normal grain).

I'm simply amazed at the ignorant on goings that some people spew from their mouths.

I for one went to the dealer today. Sat on a 1125. What a nice bike. Its freakin sad. I feel like a family member died. I picked up 2 buell shirts before they are all gone. Told the parts guys I want one of the buell signs for the garage.

At the end of the day. Its simply typicall of a primarly sportbike site. Dis the non-rice bike. What the fuck ever.

Are you not aware that this is an Internet forum, and all that that entails? :D

Damn. I had no idea HD owned or bought MV. News to me.

Since when are we talking about guns here? :wink:

DMG has completely ruined AMA.

He looks worn out, defeated, whatever.

I kind of like the looks of this bike, would have to see it in person and sit on it at the very least to know if I truly like it.

It is sad that they have to close and people have to lose their jobs.

#1 9k isint high? sure you were on the right bike?
#2 the argument was whether the 1130 could cut it as a sportsbike motor. and considering its overall weight, internals weight, and output thats a big fat no. even erik said so. :gofurslf:

I've always like the looks of the Buell other than the ones with the "face". I liked just the ones with the two headlights and shield.


I've only seen a couple being ridden in my life time so they are a rare thing to see. Sucks to die off at only 26 years old.

It's all about a dream of one guy

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NkDT0...layer_embedded

Sorry for the late entry to the discussion.

If you are interested in a Buell, we do have a few left. They won't last long at the prices we are selling them for.


I believe we will see Erik Buell back in sportbike production at the end of 24 months.


Get 'em while you can.

Dude you are so wrong here... I'm sorry Chris but I don't remember you coming to the defense of GSXRs whenever people diss on them. You realize that fucking Suzuki was the "dream of one man" at one point right? You understand at one time there were hundreds of motorcycle brands that have gone by the wayside... Sometimes different isn't better... sometimes different is just different. Some of Erik's ideas were good, some were kooky, some are just plain pointless, none have been proven as "better".

At the end of the day, the market determines what stays and what goes. At one time the mono shock was a "crazy idea", over time it was proven to be superior... Buell had over 20 years to prove that his ideas were superior, he failed. Sport bikers are far from afraid to embrace revolutionary ideas. New ideas are what we're all about. If his ideas were that much better, his bikes would have sold like hot cakes. They weren't so they didn't.:idk:

I have said this for years and I mean it. If an American company produces a bike as good or better than mine for the same money, with the same reliability, I'll buy it!!!

speaking of "one guys", how bout Baba san? one could make strong arguments that he is the father of the modern litrebike class.

great interview,

http://www.visordown.com/news/images...ABA-HONDA6.jpg

Tadao Baba, the man who built the FireBlade, talks openly about retirement, smoking and crashing the odd Honda now and then...
Posted: 19 February 2009
by Visordown News

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Baba-san, how old are you these days?
Well the mind is 28 but my body, actually it is 64. I am now officially retired, and have been for four years. In 2004 I retired from Honda and finally handed over the Fireblade project to Kyoichi Yoshii. So now I can relax!

And what did they give you as a retirement gift?
I had a big farewell party and Honda gave me a piston from every model of FireBlade mounted on a wooden plaque. It’s on a shelf in my house, I am very proud of it and my time working for Honda.

So now you’re retired, what do you do with your new-found spare time?
Some Sundays I play golf, but golf is very, very difficult and motorcycle riding is very, very easy for me. So I like to ride more. I ride a 2002 FireBlade 954, it was the last CBR I designed, and as a total package this was the best Blade I ever made. Lovely handling, engine and power delivery, it’s my favourite bike to ride. But for the image, the first Blade is the best one. It has the best memories for me.

That original 1992 fireblade of yours. Just what was it that made it so special?
Sportsbikes of the time were fast. Whoosh! (he mimes going in a straight line with his hands) but sportsbikes were not fun in corners. No flick-flack! I wanted a bike to be fun to ride and more importantly, to go around the corners. I told people at the time this new bike would change the thinking for sportsbike design, that it would be fun both in corners and a straight line. Originally we started with a CBR750RR but we already had the VFR, so perhaps make it a 1000? No. We also had CBR1000F. Instead we saw that if we took the dimensions of a 750, use base motor but keep same bore and increase stroke it came to 893cc - so a new class was born, the 900 class.

And those holes you drilled into the upper fairing - they didn’t really do anything, did they?
Of course they did, haha! At the time Honda NSR race machines had holes in their fairings. Some say they worked and helped the machine turn quickly. On my Fireblade it just looked right. The holes that did work were on the front fender on later models. We made holes there for air to pass through and almost ‘suck’ the front wheel to the ground.

When did you start with Honda?
I started when I was just 18 years old, and that was back in 1962, haha! My first job was in the machinery section of the factory. I worked for three years making crankcases and cylinder heads for Honda’s CB72 and 77, then at 20 I moved to the R&D department. You’ve got to realise that Honda was only 10 years old when I joined, so it was a very young and exciting company to work for back then.

Did you need serious engineering skills to get into honda back in those days?
Well I didn’t go to university, just high school. So I learnt by using the machinery at Honda! All my experience is from working at the factory, learning from the people around me and using the machinery. You could say that my engineering experience was all pretty hands-on.

What’s the best bike you have ever ridden?
Well the most interesting model I’ve ridden is the Ducati 916. It was a very simple design and very exciting. I prefer the feel of an inline four, but as an engineer I found the Ducati 916 very interesting to ride and study. Italian bike’s looks are much better than the Japanese. The FireBlade’s design team spent some time studying Ducati when we were making new models. It was an inspiration for us.

So are all Japanese sportsbikes the same?
As a package Honda, Kawasaki, Yamaha and Suzuki bikes are designed and look very similar. But the character is a little bit different. Each manufacturer studies the competition’s handling and performance, so they are similar. But our technology is different, every year it is stepped up. Kawasaki has a very strong engine, the new ZX-10R has huge power, but I think the Honda is a better package. The Kawasaki has more exciting power, but the handling I think is a little bit slow.

You have a bit of a reputation as a crasher. how many FireBlades have you crashed?
Ha, I have heard this as well! Some of Honda’s test riders think I have crashed every model of FireBlade. But I think it’s only four or five. But then I have crashed some bikes that weren’t FireBlades as well. Very embarrassing recently, I crashed a 2008 Fireblade at McLeans at Donington Park riding with Ron Haslam and a group of FireBlade owners.

The latest incarnation of the blade has a controversial look, but do you like it?
Ah, a very difficult question. Image is number one these days, and the 2008 Blade’s looks are…questioned. But the handling and character, packaged controllability, means a shorter nose was needed. The new fairing was developed for this and it gave the bike a different character. The looks are questionable, but I don’t know. Maybe next year a new image, maybe it will be more MotoGP style.

What element of the original Fireblade design gave you the most satisfaction, and why?
The concept of the first Blade is what still survives today: fun to ride, easy to control, and this is what I am most proud of. We had a sticker on the original bike - Total Control - and that was always the idea. That character, which still lives on today 16 years on, makes me very happy. The key to a good bike is that it must be fun to ride, that’s why the Blade is successful.

Finally, you’re known for liking the odd cigarette. any plans on cutting down?
Well, you know I’m supposed to be cutting down, I have made some promises to my family. But we’ll see. Just smoking a few less can’t hurt, I suppose...

Exactly my point! I know that some people take this shit personally. Heck, I've been known to come to the defense of GSXRs on occasion...:lol: There are plenty of people here who would celebrate if Suzuki went out of business.

not me, though it irks me that they have fallen into the no big changes dont upset the fanbase rut recently.

Then they probably would have gotten huge outcries from the Harley crowd for stealing American jobs. Despite I believe most Japanese motorcycles, ATVs, cars, etc are built in the US.

But if they allowed them to be sold in Japanese places then i think they would have done better. Maybe the Italian/British places would have been better since a potential Buell buyer would likely also look into Aprilia, Ducati, Triumph, BMW, etc.

There was a place near me called that sold Honda, Yamaha, Suzuki, HD and Buell (with Kawi dealer next door and Duc dealer 5 miles away). It was the only time I've ever sat on a Buell. I've never stepped foot into a Harley dealership.

And that was part of the problem. I'd never sat on one until I went to a Harley dealer as well. I was tagging along with a friend.

If he hadn't brought me, I'd probably own a Japanese bike.

That and you're low man on the totem pole when your bike cost 10k and the others in the shop are over 20k. You can feel less important to the shop.

I am sorry for the companies passing and the loss of Jobs. My Hope is that Buell will now partner with some other Manufacturer.
Sadly I think until VERY Recently what hurt Buell a lot was the HD dealers that sold them Back in 06 I Could Not get a test ride on a new Buell anywhere. I could and did Test rIde Ducatis Aprila BMW and very major Japanese brand but Cash in Hand none of 4 Buell dealers I went to would let me ride a Bike. They looked at me like I was insane for even asking. (Wound riding a used xb12 for 4 hours that had been traded at a Japanese dealership)
This past summer that seemed to have changed (perhaps sensing that the end was near) a dealership in upstate NY offered me a test ride. I guess the chenge in attitudes was too little too late.

Um, yeah.......If that concept worked, everyone else would be doing it

I liked the holes, they looked cool -----why not just admit that's all they were there for

Uh, I don't see how a shorter nose accomplishes much. Is he talking about mass centralization? Well it's not like the headlights and gauges weigh all that much, and even if they did, you could mount them further back and just extend the fairing further forward.

There are two major Harley dealers near me. But there must be at least two dozen motorcycle shops near me that work exclusively on Harleys. The first dyno I ever saw was in one of those shops. If I had a Buell and couldn't do the maintenance, I wouldn't mind bring it to that shop instead of a dealer.

I think Harley screwed up. Many riders have a strong loyalty for their first bike. I know I like to stop by my Hodaka dealer now and then. But how many new riders can afford a Harley, or the huge weight? I remember when Harley sold dirt bikes. Maybe Erik should start looking at some car dealers who would love to bring in a younger crowd of buyers.

That's because HD dealerships are use to a bunch of mid-life crising 40 year olds who want the biggest baddest HD to brag to their friends about and haven't ridden a bicycle since they were 14 much less a high TQ heavy ass shitty handling/braking motorcycle.

The only reason I see people get to test ride triumphs/ducs/aprillia/etc is because in general people who want those bikes (or are willing to buy them) already have riding experience on top of being in their 30s or so with decent jobs to pay for the bike.

they do sell them overseas, hell europe seems to have more buells than we do and you cant watch a BSB race without seeing 5000 HD banners

i thought he did admit that they were just for looks? :lol:

Americans weren't the only ones that enjoyed Buells. Here is a big fan in Japan of all places...

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=r8Zm0...layer_embedded

goddamn that place is gorgeous. great band name too :lol: super butter dog :lol: smooth tune though

Let me just say it again, I definatly see a Harley Davidson Buellster on the horizon

http://www.aluminum.nu/web/img/typeone_xb12s_0817_3.jpg

the way that horn is mounted makes it look like a promask :lol:

I thought the same thing, just needs the canister hanging off the side

has that one got a 240 kit Fred? or does it just LOOK fat :idk:

I've never been a fan of the short, jacked-up tails that seem to be popular these days, but that bike looks tits. I especially like the header pipes on Buells.

did you read it? he claims it helped "suck the front tire down" :scratch:

I typed xb12 in google and that was the first picture that came up, I have no clue

http://www.buellxb.com/Buells-for-Sa...market-goodies

BTW Dave, actually looking at the website where I got the pic from that was a real gas mask.

yeah i was thinking about the earlier part with the NSRs, sounds like when they first did it it was for looks but they engineered it into some sort of functionality in later models. i would assume that were that to be true they found more effective means of aerodynamic control later on

found a link that says the same stuff. aerodynamics derived from their F1 program.

http://www.quatrebras.com/motor/cbr900rrn.htm

on a side note that black red and purple looks TITS

Just read on a local forum that Buells are 50% off. If this has already been posted, well its been post again for your convenience.

That is actually a gas mask. I'm pretty sure that I know the guy that owned that.

He ran a website called PDGMoto.com selling Buell Gauge cluster face plates.

Really good guy.

If HD really wants to get their shit in gear, they need to quit axing the interesting stuff. All they're keeping and hyping is poser parking lot weekend badass bikes. I bet if they came out with something like the Royal Enfield 500, they'd get a lot more beginners and females. Price it right- the Enfield is $5k, fuel injected.

HMMM. I don't remember you saying that to me personally? Or perhaps you should choose your words more carefully? How many actual HD riders do you know? I bet ya you wouldn't say anything close to that in a group of HD riders now would you.

Your entire POV needs some slight adjusting. But hey, what do I know... I have only been on all sides of the box. Where as you have only been on your little 650R side.

I'll say it, and I think I said something about your HD, although i think it was mostly limited to admiring the size of your mobile home top bag


Actually I really do think HD has over the past few years targeted its audience toward the middle aged upper middle class male. More than anything else they sell the image of a bad ass biker. I think they could take a much larger market share than they already have If they would diversify their lineup. The enfield wouldnt be a good bike, the buell blast would be a great bike, it was buells best selling bike until they crushed it, They are trying with their xr line, which is a cool bike in its own right, but it doesn't have the sportbike image that the 19-29 demographic usually buys in the jap big 4.

If they can sell a bike that appeals to the cool boy sportbike crowd, that has the image of a gixxer then they would break into the sport bike market. We can all agree that buells were pretty good bikes, but they didnt have the cool boy image that a gixxer has, they appealed to folks that were already in the sportbike market and liked a bike that can handle. What it comes down to is that if you create the image then you sell the bike. More people ride to look cool than to enjoy riding.

Anyway HD sells the biker image, not the bikes. (there are exceptions though, what I said is not 100% for everyone)

http://www.cyclespot.com/forums/phot.../595/poser.jpg

If HD would bring the blast back then they have a bike that appeals to the female and beginner crowd, but they already have that with the small engine sporty.They dont need a new bike to compete with the sportster, they need a cheap sportster

Probably the biggest issue with Buell for me personally was their terrible lineup. You had a 500cc crapcycle at the bottom end and then 900/1200cc monsters for everything else. How about a decent middleweight for the SV650 and Monster market?

HD doesn't need to get into sportbikes, they don't need to and they would fail anyway. The only thing they might want to consider is offering something for $10K or less so that younger people can afford it. Then again, why should they do anything? They are profitable enough as is.

I've SOLD both the sportbikes and the Chrome Couches. Completely different cultures with completely different needs.


HD isn't that different than the Big Four in the way that they progress. When was the last evolutionary leap you've seen in sport bikes?

Even the crossplane crankshaft has been met with resistence.

I remember the hue and cry when the new Ninjas came out and how "ugly" they were. Really? It was hard to even tell them apart.


Harley is the same way. Rarely do they come out with anything "new". The last two "new" things were the V-Rod and the Rocker. Both have been unmitigated failures in the eyes of HD. Are they bad bikes? No. They are just outside the small box of what the typical HD buyer wants.

From the outside, you'd be hard pressed to tell the difference between a 1987 Sportster and a 2010 Sportster, between a 1995 Electra Glide and a 2010 Electra Glide. Mechanically, they are vastly different. Visually, they are virtually identical.

Is there really THAT much difference between SV650 model years? You'd have to go pretty far back to have an R1 look THAT different than the current model.

The difference is in what you find "interesting". It didn't matter what Buell did, your average HD rider wasn't going to find it "interesting" (or at least interesting enough to plunk down the green to buy one).

Buell didn't "fail". It was closed by HD because it wasn't part of the core business. You will probably also see some HD models "die" because they are not part of the core business. The core is Big V-Twins. Period.

That is not a bad thing for HD. They do that very well. The question is whether there are enough people to last to keep them afloat. Yes the Baby Boomers are dying, but that dynamic is in effect for EVERY business model.

There were only 135,000 Buells manufactured since 1987. Buell was never going to stem the tide of Baby Boomer death. HD made a decision to begin to prune its branches last week. More cuts are to come. York, PA is about to be closed.

HD has $1B in debt that will need to be refinanced. The $30M Buell could generate wasn't enough to matter. MV was a black hole.

Dude, haven't you ever heard of the Sportster? $7000 for the 883 version.

http://www.harley-davidson.com/wcm/C...jsp#/family/sp

I can agree with what you say on this. Except for one point, the reason that HD exists is to make money, and they want to make more than they already have. They do want to break into the sportbike market, thats why they own buell and MV. they just dont think they can do it with their own name, I also think that they think the HD name on a sport bike will hurt the image with the bad ass biker crowd so they dont want to risk it, but they dont mind introducing a sportish bike under the xr name.

Yes they do need to introduce an american bike under 10k, in fact they need to build a sportster type of bike that the average construction worker can buy, something cheap no frills no nothing, just and engine and 2 wheels. The blast would be the perfect bike, except it will eat into the sportster people who can just barely afford it and instead get crappy loans through HD finance, which is what got them in trouble in the first place.

Again, just my opinion

Did you ever test ride the 900cc version?

It was Buell's middle weight. I really doubt 94HP and 74lbft of torque is anything threatening.

The 1200cc at best did 103HP.


I think the SV, stock, does 70HP.



Unfortunately, many can't see past the basics of displacement.

Honestly, I sell to "the average construction worker" every day. They come in with rolls of bills covered in butt sweat to buy a Harley they have saved for.

They wouldn't buy a lower priced, "no frills, no nothing" bike because everyone would know it was a "no frills, no nothing" bike. The Sportsters are like Kryptonite to most. Dyna frame, Road King, Heritage, or Geezer Glide.

Otherwise, they walk out the door.

Good luck finding a sporty for MSRP, well now maybe, but a year, 2 years ago they were selling for over 10k, and if you didnt want to pay that much some other poor slob would come in the next day and pay it

Exactly, but that brings me back to the point, HD financed as much as they can and got sucked into a ton of bad finance deals, thats where their finacial troubles are, not selling bikes, they need to price bikes that folks can afford so that HD financial doesnt have to take on bad credit deals

I didn't know they were so cheap.......my bad.

It's a chicken and egg. They make high priced bikes because lower priced bikes don't sell. They have to finance these high priced bikes to people who can't afford them.

In the end, there are simply not enough buyers to keep the balls spinning at HD. It's a house of cards.

Yup.

But give it a year or 2 and HD will be selling the same volume that they sold 2 years ago, I also truly believe that Buell (or an HD badged buellish sportbike) will have another bike out again within a 2 year window, my guess is winter of 2011-2012 you will hear news of it. Thats why Erik Buell is being kept on as a consultant. Just my opinion.

Word from the factory folks is no HD branded sportbike, period. Test markets showed that a HD branded sportbike was a big fail.

Erik started at HD in the engineering area. He is finishing up in the engineering area.

My guess is that we will see some (more) of his design going into the XR1200 and XR1200R programs particularly if DMG creates a XR1200 race series.

then when they fall over i better not have to pay to put it back up

Yeh I brought that up on page 9.

Again I expect to see an xr with a rim mounted front brake, and an under slung muffler. Possibly some ingenious way of holding fuel too.

(just the front brake in this one)
http://i270.photobucket.com/albums/j...tantBuell2.jpg

Anyway we are all arguing and agreeing with eachother

i bet they put it in the forks next

Nah they would fill up the triple trees, headlights, and handlebars first

mmm- I'm sensing you don't like me much :tremble:

You are the exception. None of the HD people around here have ever looked at a sportbike, forget riding one. I would and have said it to them- what are they gonna do?

I was not going to push your first quote further, but I couldn't stay away with the second comment.

I've ridden a XB across the gap and gotten a knee down on one, I didn't like. I have now owned 2 - 2 cyclinder motorcycles. I have more than shown I am capable of riding these bikes.

We do know what we are talking about as far as the contract. HD has owned a 100% of Buell since 98. That includes name, designs, and pretty much everything that came out of the heads of the engineers in that time frame. That is known fact you can look up anywhere. If you want to talk about death of a family member, it was murder of the redheaded step child by the stepfather. Your own family killed off the family member, so why are you getting mad at us about it. It's in house that should piss you off. Most of the dealers hated having the bikes on their showroom floor and the service guys hated working on them. You can't get good numbers when a brand is treated that way. That's HD's fault. The bike should of never been in the same building as HDs, it needed to be in boutique dealers that sell BMWs, Aprilias, KTMs, and such where they would of been taken care of and presented to the right group of riders. Erik selling out to HD was the biggest mistake he made.

As for the rough biker image, that's shot to hell and been shot to hell for a long time. No one thinks that anymore except HD riders. And going against the grain? Really? HD is the ultimate image bike, that is the grain. You go against the grain by buying a metric and getting shunned... The bikes are owned by doctors/lawyers/engineers now. Most of them are very expensive and the 1%ers are few and far between. Mostly everyone looks at you in the same opinion of what you think of the guys in Wild Hogs. That's what happens when you market to the weekend warriors and price your bikes like they do.

I see HD riders more and more and get to experience them with the crowd of that group rising exponentially at the gap and the decreasing population of sportbikes thanks to the cops. I am more than willing to tell HD riders anything on my mind and have yelled at several in the parking lot of DG for doing something stupid, just the same as I have sportbikers. I will make fun of the Rough Riders just the same as I would whatever Harley club comes through. I am not going to go kick sand in their face at their hang out, but I have no problem making fun of them sitting in front of the store.

http://i89.photobucket.com/albums/k2...7/SANY2209.jpg
http://i89.photobucket.com/albums/k2...7/SANY2210.jpg

With prices like that I might have to go get a XB12Ss

I try to stay away from the Harley (and Buell) 'bashing', because it's bad form & at the end of the day it's all about what the individual rider enjoys swinging a leg over.

However, having spent a little time on an '02 Thunderbolt, I have to honestly say it was the worst bike I have ridden, from a 'sporting' perspective. Lousy wooden-feeling brakes, very clunky transmission, harsh suspension (mushy front & very 'bouncy' rear - not a good combo!), and ran out of power about the time it felt like it should be getting into the mid-range - and don't even get me started on the vibration. Now, I know they came a long way since then and I think the 1125s are far better bikes than the prior generations. I recently got a chance to ride a 1125CR recently and while I didn't find it anything to gush over, it seemed a good, capable bike with nice handling & power-delivery (the vac-assisted/delayed clutch felt good & was a nice unique feature, I thought). I believe part of the improvement was fit/finish/refinement, but the biggest factor was simply the far superior Rotax motor (again, speaking from 'sportbike' perspective). I think it was just too little, too late & it would have taken a few years to overcome the (well-deserved, IMO) negative image that most people in the 'sportbike' market hold of the earlier bikes.

It's sad that the only production sport-bike America had to offer is now dead, right after it took a huge step forward (can't help but wonder how much the adoption of the Rotax motor might have influenced the decision). I hope he gets another shot, with a mfg. that gives him much more free-reign!

Or hell, at least one that gives him a supportive dealer network.

Just saw this....

http://www.visordown.com/motorcycle-...-bid/8513.html

NO NO NO damnit!!! not until I get a new 1125 for $4000 and a new XB12 for $3000

God, in a way I'm glad but in another I hope they don't do it. Who hasn't seen a company propped up for years that should have been let go?:idk:

:lol: I'm saying! I'm seriously considering it! Hell, I can get a Credit Union loan with about a $80/month payment!:rockwoot:

Hmmn, they should offer stock options to the public. I would hate to see Buell go out of business so I hope something works out.

I've got one in Cherry Bomb with you name on it. $6995.


http://www.dillonharley.com/am/listings/images/28_1.jpg

Buell was profitable right up until the 15th when HD slit their throats.

I can pick one up locally for that price. I think 3k off MSRP is the going rate at all dealerships.

Boy this thread has taken off since I was here on Friday !!

I hope they work it out somehow. I hate to see them go under to be honest.

If I was in the market for a new bike...at these prices I may would own an 1125R....assuming I could get parts and HD or someone would stand behind the warranty. :idk:

Retail for retail would I take a Buell over a Japanese liter bike (?)...no but again at the current closeout prices...I'd give it a shot.

HD will honor the warranty and is required to supply parts and service for at least the next 7 years.

A friend of mine bought 3 1125s and an xb12 today for 18k out the door, paid in full. he thinks he can hold them over the winter and sell them for a profit in the spring.

a reasonable gamble to make. I wonder if theyd let you buy it crated :lol:

Good luck with that, considering the economy won't be any better than it is now. Hope he enjoys wasting time dealing with a bunch of craigslist tire-kickers and scam-artists.

where did he buy one fred. I am getting serious about pulling the trigger on one esp for 6k or under.

I may take the plunge and head down to TN and get one to ride it back. Also got a HD dealer right up the road here so that will be easy for service I cant do myself.

tom

Please some see us. I'd love to have the opportunity to work with you.

We can pick you up at the airport.

You can stay at our place for the night as well Tommy

Thats also a side bussiness of his, he's a full time cop, lives in his parents 2nd house rent free, and trades in bikes on the side, usually he fools around with used bikes that dont run, fixes them up and resells them, but he said this was a really good deal.

I think hes gonna make out on the deal, hes not insuring them or registering them, just loaded them on the trailer and drove home, they are gonna sit in his garage for the winter under sheets and come out to play in the spring.

He picked them up somewhere in WV, made the deal online over the weekend and went down this morning. i got the call when he was loading them on the trailer to go home

hes not Bob from barrington is he? that guy comes up with some of the coolest old shit. cant wait till we get the money situation more in hand so i can do some of that as well

The wheels are turning, I iwll shoot ya a PM either tonight or tomorrow but I think I will be booking a flight shortly ;)

Tom

I may be wrong, but I've never heard of a state that allows dealerships to sell bikes to someone without registering them. Sure, he could register them as non-op, but he still has to pay sales tax on them.

I dont know the details, all I know is he didnt get tags because that would have cost more, and he was able to really negotiate because he bought a few of them

Yeah my trunk is huge and crazy... I know. But that's what I got it for.

On the age...Really? I see more guys my age getting on HD's than ever before. Look at even the apperal in the dealerships. It is geared toward the late 20 yr olds. Opposite to what most people think. Not every 19yr old goes after getting a sportbike. Lots of them go into the cruiser market. And in that market HD is king. Everybody else is just trying to bite off a piece of that pie.

And I honestly didn't buy my bike for image alone. Sure it may be a part of it but isn't every bike? I bought it cause out there in that class, other than wings there is nothing that compares.

There is no need to lower the price. Come on... a liter bike now is what... 12k? Your average fat boy, softtail... is only high teens.

Younger guy wants a HD... its simple.. buy used.

But you are right... why. They make enough money the way it is.


I disagree. They are already cutting back production to compensate for sales drops with economy in the tubes.

That is true... sales are down. But they are still flying off the showroom. Even in shit hole detroit area. Which if you ask me is hit the hardest in the country.

That's not it. I just don't like to see you make harsh comments based off a narrow POV. Not too mention you just saw me 2 weeks ago on my HD. And trust me... I wouldn't have a problem keeping up. They aren't old tech, slow, dumb bikes. I would have liked to see even your bike keep up with me on my trip home. Old tech? I bet you I have more new tech on my HD than you think.

And he will make a profit on that. If I had the cash I would do the same thing.

And similar link here on the take over
http://m.passionperformance.ca/motor...articles/5900/

We only register bikes sold in TN at the owner's request. You can only register a bike for street use once the applicable sales taxes are paid.

We sell bikes to folks out of state all the time with them leaving with just the temp tags. They are responsible for registering and tagging the bike in their home state.

We don't collect sales taxes at point of sale.


We had a guy who was looking at a bike for track use. We were going to sell it to him with a temp tag. He wasn't planning on registering it for street use, so he wasn't planning on paying sales taxes on it.

We didn't care one way or the other.

Just talked to him, he negotiated a total all included price, hes not sure if he paid tax, but hes gonna call and find out tomorrow, anyway, now he says hes gonna keep one of the 1125s, and he put one on craigslist as a feeler.

But isn't the government supposed to get sales tax no matter if it's going to be a track bike or a street bike? After all, it's called sales tax, not street tax.

Theoretically, yes. We, as the dealership, are not responsible for collection of taxes for states outside of TN.

It's why we usually (nearly always) collect taxes for sales in TN.


The buyer is responsible for the payment of the taxes in their state.

Talked to him again, he starting to think that he might have to pay sales tax on them before he sells them. They gave him the temp tags, a bill of sale/reciept, and a stack of papers, and they are supposed to send him the titles next week. I think he paid sales tax because you would have to pay it to get the title put in his name right? He's scared that he didnt which woudl raise the price over $1k

So it's ok for you to have a narrow point of a bike, but if we do it to your precious HDs, it's time to lay down the law? Don't bash, if you can't take the bashing yourself. Rider equality, I would take the goldwing.

If they sold them to him with the expectation of resale, they might not have collected the taxes.

Usually the point of collections is the point of registration with the state for street use.

Sometimes the "tax" isn't a tax. Some states don't have sales taxes on vehicles but do have a registration tax.

As an example, NC has no sales tax on vehicles but collects a 3% highway use tax. If you don't plan to use the vehicle on the roads, you don't have to register the vehicle and therefore don't pay the 3% tax.

The question is whether the titles are sent with him as the registered owner or for resale (untitled). Does he have a dealer license? If so, he probably won't have paid taxes, but you as the buyer WILL have to pay sales taxes.

You're right... I should recant that.

For what its worth...

My bil is looking at a wing.. I told him he would be gay and I would not be able to ride with him. My co worker has one and I told him the same thing.

They are nice machines... just a bit too crazy. I always say my ultra is a cadilac but a wing is a Mercades with their reverse, heat vents, expresso machines, and clothes irons.

Not to mention mad balance and drivability.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qqi7GONaco0

cant view at work... schrorry

Here's another group to feel sorry for...anyone who owns a Buell that wants to sell it. Good Luck with that! PC posted a '05 that's been crashed and not completely repaired and the guy wants $5500!!! Are you serious?!?!:lol: Not to mention guys who just bought one this year for around retail.

Yeah, I feel bad for all the people that bought their bike for retail this year. They got royally fucked hard.

I really think that once the current cop of new bikes sell out and you have to buy used the prices will rebound to pre-defunct-buell levels, then 20 years from now if they dont go back into bussiness (which they will), a clean bike will be highly sought after, and will command top dollar.My guess is that by spring prices will jump back up to close to what they were a week ago

He's just getting his info here. It's high yea but at least it's a start
http://www.nadaguides.com/default.as...B&gc=MC&gtc=MC

No reason to make fun.

I did not check each post, but anyone else notice that Marko and Smileyman have not posted? Particularly Marko is here daily.

Its called denial