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RACER X 11-02-2009 01:43 PM

Jury Awards $850,000 In Louisville Slugger Case
 
LOUISVILLE, Ky. -- A Montana jury took a swing at the makers of the Louisville Slugger baseball bat.

The panel ruled in favor of a family who sued the company for not warning users about the dangers of using aluminum bats.

The verdict means Hillerich and Bradsby is on the hook for $850,000. The company said it's not sure what it means beyond that because the jury also decided there was nothing wrong with the product.

“We think that most players understand the risk that they're taking when they step onto the field,” said Hillerich and Bradsby spokesman Rick Redman.

In 2003, 18-year-old Brandon Patch died after being hit in the head by a ball he threw to a batter. That batter was using an aluminum Louisville Slugger.

Patch family attorneys argued the manufacturer did not provide proper warning about the dangers of using aluminum bats.

A jury awarded the family a total of $850,000, including $750,000 in lost wages.

“We came into this not knowing. We were just hoping to prevail for Brandon. This is for Brandon and for the other kids on the field,” said his mother Deb Patch.

“I think we're all kind of wondering if this is even an indictment of the entire game of baseball,” said Redman.

Redman pointed to the fact that the jury did not find the product to be defective. He doesn't know if the company will now have to put special labels on metal bats, but he fears it could change sport as we know it.

“It's really a statement on the society that we live in today that we have to have a warning label on everything and that you just wonder if we're heading down that path more and more of being a nanny state,” said Redman.

Redman said Hillerich and Bradsby is considering whether to appeal the decision.

There is still an outstanding case in New Jersey against the company involving a teen paralyzed by a line drive that came off an aluminum Louisville Slugger.

Copyright 2009 by WLKY.com

pauldun170 11-02-2009 01:53 PM

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“It's really a statement on the society that we live in today that we have to have a warning label on everything and that you just wonder if we're heading down that path more and more of being a nanny state,” said Redman.
nuff said

azoomm 11-02-2009 01:55 PM

I'm so absolutely confused about the bullshit lawsuits that get these payouts because they are morons. There seem to be enough people that are angered by this, that HAVE common sense... where are THOSE people??!?!

RACER X 11-02-2009 01:56 PM

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Originally Posted by azoomm (Post 286346)
where are THOSE people??!?!

at work.

Apoc 11-02-2009 02:00 PM

un-fucking-believable.

The family who sued should have been sentenced to death by beating with a louisville slugger.

Bluestreak 11-02-2009 02:07 PM

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Originally Posted by RACER X (Post 286342)
“We came into this not knowing. We were just hoping to prevail for Brandon. This is for Brandon and for the other kids on the field,” said his mother Deb Patch.

BULL SHIT!

She's doing it for the pay off.


Shit like this makes me mad.

Bluestreak 11-02-2009 02:11 PM

If I fall out of bed tomorrow morning and break my neck, I'm going to tell my wife to sue Serta.

azoomm 11-02-2009 02:12 PM

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Originally Posted by RACER X (Post 286348)
at work.

I'm sorry, I don't follow....

shmike 11-02-2009 02:17 PM

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Originally Posted by azoomm (Post 286346)
I'm so absolutely confused about the bullshit lawsuits that get these payouts because they are morons. There seem to be enough people that are angered by this, that HAVE common sense... where are THOSE people??!?!

At work.

There is a reason for the phrase:

"Going to court is taking your chances with 12 people not smart enough to get out of jury duty."

azoomm 11-02-2009 02:21 PM

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Originally Posted by shmike (Post 286366)
At work.

There is a reason for the phrase:

"Going to court is taking your chances with 12 people not smart enough to get out of jury duty."

Thanks.

I'm kind of relieved that I don't speak "Ed" :lol:

shmike 11-02-2009 02:24 PM

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Originally Posted by azoomm (Post 286369)
Thanks.

I'm kind of relieved that I don't speak "Ed" :lol:

I'm kind of disappointed to find out that I do. :(

karl_1052 11-02-2009 02:33 PM

Wow, it is when I read stories like this that make me wonder how any of you live down there.
Is there a maximum IQ level allowed in your country? Is it in the double digits?

You guys should have a massive bonfire using only lawyers as fuel.

Avatard 11-02-2009 02:46 PM

Exactly what are the speed differences between wood and aluminum? I'd like to see radar data. I understand that wood flexes easily, and that aluminum less so...but I am curious as to the actual measurable speed differences.

We didn't hear the case presented. Depending on the data, they may have a point (if not a case).

FTR: I don't agree with the verdict, and warning labels in general.

shmike 11-02-2009 02:47 PM

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Originally Posted by Avatard (Post 286384)
Exactly what are the speed differences between wood and aluminum? I'd like to see radar data. I understand that wood flexes easily, and that aluminum less so...but I am curious as to the actual measurable speed differences.

I'd be curious too.

Maybe they should sue the maker of wood?

HokieDNA01 11-02-2009 02:50 PM

Oh I bet the new carbonfiber composite bat I just bought is REALLY dangerous. That thing hits like a champ!!

Avatard 11-02-2009 02:50 PM

I'm curious as to the legal argument they used. I can see arguing that there was a reasonable expectation that the performance of a similar product would be similar, if the data is wildly different.

Just how much of a product performance difference are we talking here?

HokieDNA01 11-02-2009 02:51 PM

why didn't they sue the batter for aiming at the pitcher??

karl_1052 11-02-2009 02:54 PM

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Originally Posted by HokieDNA01 (Post 286388)
why didn't they sue the batter for aiming at the pitcher??

Because the pitcher does not have $850,000

goof2 11-02-2009 03:27 PM

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Originally Posted by Avatard (Post 286384)
Exactly what are the speed differences between wood and aluminum? I'd like to see radar data. I understand that wood flexes easily, and that aluminum less so...but I am curious as to the actual measurable speed differences.

We didn't hear the case presented. Depending on the data, they may have a point (if not a case).

FTR: I don't agree with the verdict, and warning labels in general.

There have been a number of news stories about the difference. It isn't massive, but there is a difference. The stories have driven due to some pretty bad injuries in college baseball.

I would guess this family sued based on the expectation that a bat is supposed to be a bat. An aluminum bat generates more ball speed than a wooden one. The bat performs outside the reasonable expectations of the user. This creates a duty on the part of the manufacturer to warn users of the additional risk associated with their product.

It is still ridiculous though.

buzzcutt2 11-02-2009 04:02 PM

What a bunch of idiots!!! It is clearly the baseball that did the damage. I feel like I'm taking crazy pills. Sue the ball manufacturer.

z06boy 11-02-2009 04:24 PM

This is such BS I don't even know what to say except...


What do you have when you have 10,000 lawyers at the bottom of the ocean ?



A good start.

Smittie61984 11-02-2009 08:00 PM

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Originally Posted by Apoc (Post 286350)
The family who sued should have been sentenced to death by beating with a louisville slugger.

But make sure it's an aluminum. If it's made of wood it won't hurt you.

I think a good start would be a "Loser Pays" system. As in if you sue someone and loose then you pay the defendents lawyer fees and more.

Avatard 11-02-2009 08:09 PM

Loser pays legal costs would fix everything.

OneSickPsycho 11-02-2009 08:14 PM

God damnit. Fuck these retards.

pdog 11-02-2009 09:14 PM

Judges often lead a jury to believe that they have to rule one way or another on a case if a certain set of facts are established. It's too bad more people don't know about Jury Nullification:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jury_nullification

Sean 11-02-2009 09:43 PM

Many jury verdicts in cases like this are decided on whether or not the defendant can afford the payment rather than any culpability in the case.

The standard for guilt in a civil suit is much lower than in a criminal suit -- "responsible" rather than "beyond a reasonable doubt"

Smittie61984 11-02-2009 09:44 PM

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Originally Posted by pdog (Post 286545)
Judges often lead a jury to believe that they have to rule one way or another on a case if a certain set of facts are established. It's too bad more people don't know about Jury Nullification:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jury_nullification

I think the main problem is the most people learn about law is from Law & Order, Legally Blonde, and My Cousin Vinny. A few may learn some from 12 Angry Men.

goof2 11-02-2009 11:24 PM

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Originally Posted by Smittie61984 (Post 286503)
But make sure it's an aluminum. If it's made of wood it won't hurt you.

I think a good start would be a "Loser Pays" system. As in if you sue someone and loose then you pay the defendents lawyer fees and more.

[QUOTE=Avatard;286503]Loser pays legal costs would fix everything.QUOTE]

It may help, but far too many people are winning the "idiot lottery" for this to go away. Keep in mind most of the plaintiff's attorneys in cases like this are working on contingency. If they loose the lawyer get paid nothing. Theoretically this should prevent many frivolous lawsuits. In practice it doesn't seem to work very well.

tommymac 11-03-2009 05:49 AM

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Originally Posted by karl_1052 (Post 286389)
Because the pitcher does not have $850,000

And the batter is dead, if the family did this for brandon they should donate the money to some worthy cause instead of their own pockets.

Tom

karl_1052 11-03-2009 06:04 AM

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Originally Posted by tommymac (Post 286668)
And the batter is dead, if the family did this for brandon they should donate the money to some worthy cause instead of their own pockets.

Tom

No, the batter hit the pitcher with the ball(poorly written article, surprise.)

tommymac 11-03-2009 06:08 AM

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Originally Posted by karl_1052 (Post 286672)
No, the batter hit the pitcher with the ball(poorly written article, surprise.)

And poor reading comprehension on my part. Maybe I can sue the elmont school system for that.

Tom

Papa_Complex 11-03-2009 07:49 AM

This just in: Little League coaches across the country have resigned out of fear of litigation, making X-Box the new "America's Passtime."

wildchild 11-03-2009 08:37 AM

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Originally Posted by Bluestreak (Post 286354)
BULL SHIT!

She's doing it for the pay off.


Shit like this makes me mad.

i was going to say the same thing. if it's for the kid then set up a Brandon scholarship so his death can help others go to baseball camp or college or something. No they'll just use the money to make the loss less hurtful.

wildchild 11-03-2009 08:39 AM

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Originally Posted by shmike (Post 286385)
I'd be curious too.

Maybe they should sue the maker of wood?


what? every woman in the world? don't think they'll win that one.

Rider 11-03-2009 08:39 AM

Someone needs to use a wooden Louisville Slugger and bash her fucking head in to see if the wooden bat is safer. I have one too, MLB game used from the Dodgers.

karl_1052 11-03-2009 09:11 AM

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Originally Posted by wildchild (Post 286725)
i was going to say the same thing. if it's for the kid then set up a Brandon scholarship so his death can help others go to baseball camp or college or something. No they'll just use the money to make the loss less hurtful.

And nothing says less hurtful than a new ZR1 to park in front of the trailer.

wildchild 11-03-2009 01:00 PM

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Originally Posted by karl_1052 (Post 286757)
And nothing says less hurtful than a new ZR1 to park in front of the trailer.

aint it funny how that seems to work? I'm sure they'll put

"in loving memory of Brandon" on the back window though.

Avatard 11-03-2009 01:11 PM

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Originally Posted by Papa_Complex (Post 286695)
This just in: Little League coaches across the country have resigned out of fear of litigation, making X-Box the new "America's Passtime."

You mean until the project Natal interface gets everyone swinging their arms and legs into each other, and the lawsuits pile up there too.

Homeslice 11-03-2009 03:23 PM

$750,000 in lost wages? Whose wages, the kid who died, or his parents? If it's his parents, are they trying to say they couldn't work since 2003 for emotional reasons? What a crock.

Papa_Complex 11-03-2009 03:23 PM

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Originally Posted by Homeslice (Post 286955)
$750,000 in lost wages? Whose wages, the kid who died, or his parents? If it's his parents, are they trying to say they couldn't work since 2003 for emotional reasons? What a crock.

For the kid's first year in the Majors, when they were going to steal every cent that he made.


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