Wow, just effin Wow!
 

Wow is right!

Killing a hamster is all the punishment he got? I would of took out the louisville slugger and hit that sucker to the moon in a second over the trouble I got in for bad grades.

Wait until she finds out he has wire hangers in the closet.

I wonder if this would have been an issue if he had a pet chicken and they ate it for dinner? I mean, killing the thing with a hammer is a bit messy and could be potentially cruel (if it took more than one swing), but it's a fucking hamster.

yep, it's a fucking rodent. It's not worth a "wow." Microwaving a cat isn't even a "wow." Chopping someones head off, now that's a "wow."

No, that post is a "Wow". Geez Trip. Really?

That's really fucked up.

Not giving a shit about anything is so fucking cool!

The lady is getting her punishment and will learn from it. She isn't some psychopath shooting up a school. I care, just not that much about this one.

Maybe not...but her kid could be now!

I agree the thing is just an animal, but I'm wondering why killing the little rodent was punishment for the kid? The kid was probably....fuck yeah now I don't have to feed that worthless thing. lol

That's a very jacked-up psychotic thing to do to the kid, no doubt. And it was obviously potentially very cruel to the rodent if it wasn't quick - but any more so than rat poison, or a trap that doesn't always break the neck, or being stuck until starved to death? Probably not, and the animal cruelty charges lack a little common sense & perspective, IMO. :shrug:

Edit: Then again, the POS "Mom" does deserve the book thrown at her - and the kid taken away (though that can end up even worse). :td:

And she was already on probation:td: still a prety fucked up thing for the kid, I can see taking it away from him or something but forcing him to kill it is prety extreme.

He could, but he could also take this life lesson and become one of the most outspoken people for animal cruelty as well.

... or he could end up as another statistical correlation between killing animals and serial killers.

We could only hope...

Having a pile of shit as a Mom definitely has its disadvantages either way.

Maybe Trip, but we shouldn't strive to raise our children through attrition and sociopathic behaviors.

I killed many a squirrel, bird, rabbit, and other forest creatures for fun with a 22 or pellet gun along with everyone I hung out with. Yet, there isn't a serial killer in the bunch.

There is a difference here as well, the kid didn't have a want to kill the animal, he was forced to do it.

Are you just playing devil's advocate or do you honestly not see the difference in being forced to kill what you consider a pet or hunting rodents with a BB Gun? I mean, it seems like you do since you state "there is a difference." Yet you're comparing the two like they have anything to do with one another.

Of course there is a difference, that's why I said that. The serial killer thing is associated with kids who go around killing pets/animals because they want to do it because they like it. This kid didn't kill his pet because he wanted to do it, he was forced too, huge difference.

Get better grades you little shit. You want to be a fucking moron like 99% of the people on the planet? Killing the hamster isn't cool but I can think if a way better and harsher punishment like having to read the dictionary and encyclopedia for 2 hours every day until his grades improved to 3.5 gpa.

Some serial killers are born, some are made.

Seriously doubt that's how this ends up for this kid...but that doesn't stop me from wanting the Mom to get a prison sentence.

To a human considering the ethical ramifications there's certainly an arguable difference.

But to the creature being killed, quick & easy vs. painful & slow is about the only thing which is of meaning to it.

which will unfortunately also fuck up the kid more...

This story isn't that big of a deal. It's a fucking hamster.

I watched my Hamster eat the heads off her offspring...I don't think the "pain and suffering" of a Hamster is all that relevant to the conversation, :lol:

Fuck the kid up more than living with a sadistic Mother? Nah, I doubt it. Losing a parent sucks...unless that parent has serious mental issues.

That big a deal compared to...Haiti? No, not that big a deal. Still an interesting story and still a fucked up mother.

Fuck Haiti.

So what is a big deal to you? If you had the Trip News Network, what would you allow to be reported?

It would be a Fox News ripoff, that shit makes money. I wouldn't care what was on it, as long as it made bank.

Not really what I was asking. My question is more related to your assertion that this or that isn't a big deal. Are there any big deals in the world?

It definitely wouldn't be this route

http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/us_air_america_bankruptcy

I didn't say Haiti wasn't a big deal. I said "fuck haiti." A kid being forced to kill a hamster isn't something that surprises me and not all that much of a concern for me.

There are a lot of big deals in my world, but they wouldn't make very much sense in your world as we don't live in the same region or know the same people IRL.

Well sure, you could've just said big deals to you are what affects you personally.

Nothing people do surprises me, I just like to rubble rubble.

You are so cool. :luck:

Agreed, and kinda my point - though I do disagree with inflicting needless malicious suffering on any creatures, often Ma Nature dishes out far worse just in the course of cycle-of-life shit. Hell, just watch a NatGeo flick of lions chasing down a baby wildebeast & eating it guts-first! I think people sometimes get carried away with labeling some acts as 'cruel and inhuman' without stopping for a moment to consider the reality of what goes on in order to keep all us non-vegans fed.

Are you really that shocked by it? Seriously? That girl microwaving the cat was different. This is tame to that shit. That dude who cut off that guys head on the bus, now that was pretty fucked up. Anyone who is shocked by this story has to be sheltered from regular news.

I know, why we are still so shocked by your posts is beyond me. :lol:


But that's what hope will do.

I'm a coonass, hope is lost on me.

Honestly, I'm not shocked by the story. I think it's effed up and don't share your sentiments, but I'm not shocked by it.

I think it's sad that we're not more shocked by this stuff. I think it's pathetic that as a society violence and sociopathy (because that's what this is) has become so commonplace that anyone who is shocked by it is considered to be "sheltered". :idk:

But that is what human nature consists of. If you don't understand how humans work, and you're a human yourself, then yea...you're sheltered. There's nothing wrong with recognizing the bad parts of humanity that have always existed.

You took part in something that was cultural and social. What he was forced to do was secretive and anti-social. Do you not see the difference?

Has become? Ever took time to research history. We have always been this fucked up. That's humanity.

No I've never taken the time to research history. I'm so stupid. :rolleyes:

I'm not saying it's not part of humanity. I get that. But what is sad about humanity, is that we now accept these stories as commonplace and regular.

I guess I'm just not cool enough not to care. It's so cool not to care. i wish i could be cooler.

But they are commonplace and regular, that's what I was saying.

And you're not stupid, don't be so hard on yourself. Geez.

Yes I think this was wrong and totally cruel and ignorant of this so called mother.

Hunting and/or shooting rodents in a tree is totally different.

This Hampster to many was just a rodent BUT to this kid...it was his pet..from the way I understand it...and for this mother to make him kill it for punishment is fvcked up beyond belief.

No I don't see this having anything to do with the kid growing up to be a serial killer at all but it was still a very cruel and stupid thing to do.

Take the Hampster away from the kid as a form of punishment...sure...no problem with that but to make him take a hammer and bash it is mental abuse for the kid imho.

The mom probably read a book that said to take away the thing most valuable to the kid. Maybe she tried taking the hamster and it didn't work and the kid was still being a shithead. So she decided to make him kill it. Then he called social services on his mom. And that's how we found out about the story.

Great post, You for President.

Or maybe she's just a crazy bitch.

We just lived in a much smaller bubble without the internet. I believe anyone who lived in a war torn area has accepted heinous acts as commonplace before the tech boom. Our bubble has gotten larger to include such things.

Who says I am cool? I certainly don't... It's just not something that worries me. I got more important things to worry about than a mom that is in trouble for doing something retarded.

:lol: Happy B-Day and yeah I think maybe she is just a crazy b!tch !!

I was amplifying, to make a point. Apparently I failed.

Ok this made me go back and read from the beginning because I wasn't directing this at you. :lol:

"Shooting up the school" and "serial killer" was mentioned so I was just posting my opinion in general.

That mother is messed up! Yes, it's just a hamster, but it was his pet! She apparently has no parenting skills nor any empathy!

Don't ever do that again.

:lol: you know the whole opinions are like assholes, no one ever really wants to see your asshole.

Uh-huh.

I would have had straight As if my mom started eyeballing Fido.

She should have let the hamster go around a cat. Then once the cat kills the hamster let a pit bull loose. Once the pit kills the cat you let some old Chinese lady around it and then BAM! Dinner is served and your kid got one hell of a lesson about the food chain.

Spare us...you would not hesitate to setup a rat trap and let the rat choke to death. A hamster is no different. A rat is just the type of animal that you don't care about. You cannot have it both ways and neither should our legal system regarding animal cruelty laws.

I wouldn't punish the woman at all. Jail time? Please. Waste of taxpaper money IMO.

:lol

Devil's Advocate, or you really don't get it?

I'll take what's behind curtain number two Monty.

What would you like me to get? A cookie?

Killing a hamster shouldn't be illegal IMO no matter if you told your kid to do or you did it yourself. Now if you would like to go around arresting people for "putting their children through physcological trauma" as in killing a pet, then that opens up a very slippery slope; one our government should not take unless the child is being physically harmed.

The point is that killing a hamster (I don't care how you do it) shouldn't be illegal. There is really nothing to get.

From some of your posts it would seem that you care more about your fucking dogs than about human beings. God put souls in humans..not animals.
Animals are here for us to use and eat. :lol Chinese anyone?

Yes, you can have a cookie if you like, but I do not understand how it pertains to the conversation. As far as the rest of it, you lost me at "soul" and "God."

I am responsible for my dogs and 1 human being, I take good care of that which I am responsible for.

That was a lot of typing that could've been summarized with "no, I don't get it."

You have yet to explain what I am "suppose to get". Waiting....

Well....don't hold your breath. :lol:

Snappy...if you think I'm suppose to "get something" out of this, then by all means lay it out.....Waiting...

We are discussing whether the charges brought against this mother are bs. or valid. Either you think so or you don't. I for one think the charges are bullshit as the government is again overstepping it's boundaries.

Whether you think what she did is moral, sadistic or cruel is purely subjective and to state someone doesn't "get it" because they don't agree with you on a subjective matter is assinine.

Sounds like you don't have a stool to stand on.

No, but I do have one of those Little Big Ladders. Pretty nice stuff dude.

Ok, from the top:

So by your logic, setting a trap for a rat is akin to forcing a child to smash a pet with a hammer.

I didn't say you didn't get it because you don't share my opinion. I just agreed with the sentiment because, well, you don't get it.

Abuse can be physical(beating) or psychological.
This is definitely the latter, whether you agree with it or not.

It isn't the same thing. I never said it was. I said it should not be ILLEGAL. Maybe you don't get it.

Again I never said it wasn't abuse...I said that it should not be illegal.

People are abused ALL THE TIME. It's life, YOU deal with it, not the government unless it is taking away your right to freedom.

Then why would you quote Kelly and say "spare us, like you wouldn't set a trap for a rat" as an argument? Do you often make senseless arguments?

Wait, don't answer that.

To your new point, child abuse shouldn't be illegal.

And I don't get it. :lol:

Btw it is illegal to psychologically abuse a child, every bit as much as it's illegal to physically abuse one. And it is everybit as damaging to the child.

Is there a child out there who hasn't been psychologically abused by their parents. From what I hear, that's half the fun of parenting.

1. Kill a hamster / kill a rat. Same difference.
2. Making a kid kill a hamster is not child abuse IMO. If you think differently, so be it.

Name one....unless you are threatening the kid without actually touching him.

And this is where I'll stop arguing with you. Not because you're right, but because teaching you common sense would be harder than describing a rainbow to a blind person.

You have not once argued with me on this subject, so don't give yourself any credit. The only thing you have brought to the table was "you don't get it" and "teaching you common sense would be harder than describing a rainbow to a blind person". If you don't want to rationally discuss topics with me without making constant belitting comments, then don't reply to my posts. I don't want to hear it anymore pal.

Ok, so argued isn't the right word. I spelled out exactly why "you don't get it" and you reaffirmed it by saying "Making a kid kill a hamster is not child abuse".

If you believe forcing a kid to smash his pet hamster with a hammer isn't child abuse, there's no rational discussion to be had with you.

That's why I bowed out.

Absolutely agree. :yes:

I think the degree/relative 'animal cruelty' can be argued all day long, but there is no rational argument against what that mom did being an extremely eff'd-up, psychologically abusive crime to commit against that poor kid. :td:

Telling a child to kill something he has "parented", cared for, and perhaps loved sends the most horrific messages about what a mother is capable of here. The psychological crime against this child should be obvious to anyone with a fucking brain.

The mother did it becuase the kid didn't get his grades up...she probably ran out of options and thus taking something he loved (whether it be a rodent or his PS3 in not relevant) away permanantly. Sounds more like obedience training than abuse to me.

I would have gotton my ass kicked for shit grades....but that option would have def. landed her in jail.

If the kids grades still don't improve the dog is next...with the chainsaw!:lol

OMG think of the children!!!! Where is Pauldun.

I'm sure the kid had far advance notice that if you don't get ur fuckin grades up the hamster is going to go. The hammer was just icing on the cake. :lol

I dont know, someone said the mom was on probation. She more than likely just fuckin nuts dude.

It's pretty easy to see what bad parenting can do...

I'm guessing you not only weren't really properly held as a child...but that in fact, you were dropped...often....and on your head.

:lmao:
:lmao:
:lmao:

Searching around the net, the story may not be all it appears to be. Apparently it was a gerbil and there is some question of trustworthiness of the child and mother about what actually happened. Just your typical fucked up family.

Apparently the child told a teacher what "happened" and the police are still trying to verify the truth and the reporters ran with what the kid said to the teacher.

:skep: Wow. :lol:

And now, for something completely different....

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_OXfAPPckQU

You want the kid to get good grades or not?:lol

Maybe the kid was beyond control....maybe the mother had a bunch of loose screws. Who knows.....but I don't think the government should be involved.

They definitely should get involved if you were giving your kid pot though. :lol: