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Motorcyclist Charged for Recording
http://www.abc2news.com/news/local/s...r5fAq-tlA.cspx
A Harford County man now faces up to five years in prison after he recorded a bizarre traffic stop last month in Harford County. Anthony Graber was riding his motorcycle with a camera attached to his helmet recording his ride. It happened near the Riverside exit of I-95. A Maryland State trooper in an unmarked car pulled over Graber for speeding. The trooper is seen in a YouTube video that Graber posted, jumping out of the car and tells Graber "Get off the motorcycle, get off the motorcycle! Get off the motor cycle, State Police." The trooper is seen pulling his gun immediately after getting out of the unmarked car. It's not until five seconds after he exits the car that he identifies himself a Maryland State trooper. Click on the video to the right to watch the story by ABC2 News investigative reporter, Brian Kuebler. Copyright 2010 The E.W. Scripps Co. All rights reserved. This material may not be published, broadcast, rewritten, or redistributed. thread http://www.1000rr.net/forums/showthread.php?t=73014 |
I can't believe the state's attorney would press charges.
They would have to know that this would be a PR nightmare. I'm more concerned with them backing Mr. Unmarked pulling his sidearm for a speeding violation. |
Well he shouldn't have been doing anything wrong and he wouldn't have gotten pulled over.
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Uh, random dude in street clothes runs up to you and pulls a gun on you? How is that legal?
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If an unmarked car pulled in front of me blocking me, I would back up too. This is gonna be a clusterfuck for all involved.
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It's ok for police to record traffic stops but it's not ok for citizens to do so? Give me a fucking break.
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We were just discussing doing this on another forum. A local trooper has a history of making rude and even racist remarks to bike riders he has pulled over.
I cannot believe that it would be illegal to record it. I can't believe officers can be such dicks. One of our local officers just got off unpaid suspension for firing 2 shots at a car that pulled away from a traffic stop. |
What the hell? Since when is it illegal to record a traffic stop?
Sounds like the state is all butt-hurt because their foot soldier got caught doing something illegal. |
It's not okay to record AUDIO. at least that's what the video said. :idk:
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Totally buying a helmet cam.
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I saw this on another forum as well a while back.
I don't normally conceal carry while out riding on the bike but I have. Sometimes it's in the easily accessible zippered section of my tankbag. I'm not saying "well I would have done this or that"...but this sure had the potential to get nasty real quick. I didn't see any blue lights flashing on this guys car. :idk: Was the guy running from the marked car behind him and then this plain clothes guy intervened ? That's the ONLY way I can give this plain clothes guy any credit. Imho the ONLY thing he should have been flashing was a badge and his blue lights. |
Total BS, but typical for cops who are just pissed that everyone has video cams these days.
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Welcome to the People's Republic of Maryland, where you can be jailed for just about anything.
The shape of things to come... Remember the broohahah about Linda Trip being prosecuted for recording her conversations about BC with the Cigar Girl????? That was in Maryland, too. |
I watched the video and if I were the guy I would have been terrified of a guy coming at me telling me to get off my bike with a gun in hand. Cops a lucky bastard he didn't stop someone who carried!
The video law is stupid... |
Unauthorized recording of audio without a warrant is a Federal not a state offense. It appears that the state prosecutor is using this fact to bully this guy.
This in fact means if you use your cell phone to capture audio without the consent of another you can be prosecuted. The fact that it was spontaneous meaning that no plan was made to record the officer and if no threat was made based on the existence of the recording meaning "Drop the Charge or I release the recording" conviction is unlikely. |
I've always been respectful of the police. But, more and more, I'm thinking... FTP..
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Kaneman, I'm in your camp on this. |
The camera was in use in full view. The cop willingly entered his video frame.
This will be tossed in nanoseconds, if it comes to trial. Bogus charge, and the cop is a fucking amateur. |
Fucking cops...fucking laws...both fucking suck.
This country is turning into nothing more than a legal shitpile of laws to try to control every aspect of our lives. I hope this makes Fox News..... |
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Unauthorized (meaning recording in away that violates federal law )recording of audio is a Federal offense Recording without a warrant simply means that you cannot use the audio against someone in court because its unconstitutional. (due process) If I remember correctly, under federal law ONE party has to be aware of the recording and a party to the conversation. In other words, you can record your interaction with another but you cannot record when you are a third party. There are several states (state law) that require all parties to be notified of the recording; California Connecticut Delaware Florida Massachusetts Maryland Michigan Montana New Hampshire Pennsylvania Washington. In the case of the guy in question, he was not recording "the officer". The officer rudely interrupted a private recording and when the officer asked the individual to shut off the camera he did. Though Maryland allegedly has a law regulating recorded conversations SURPRISE that is a state law. Since the there is no indication that the officer was the target of the recording and it is quite apparent that the guy was simply recording his own personal activity there is no reason for him to be charge much less convicted. Its like walking in on someone taking private notes on a voice recorder, yell at the guy to shut it off then charge him for recording you telling him to shut it off. The standard that they apply here means that any security camera in a public place may be illegal. more details Officials Upset Over Posted Traffic Stop Video Video of a traffic stop in Maryland is now spreading across YouTube. It's a video that's landed one man in serious trouble with the law. As Kelly McPherson reports, police are now going after the man with the camera. It was a highway confrontation caught on camera. "Get off the motorcycle, get off the motorcycle. Get off the motorcycle, state police," yelled the officer involved. The video is causing a stir online, but also with state police and now the Harford County State's Attorney. Fitted with a helmet camera, Anthony Graber was recording his ride when an unmarked trooper car pulled him over for speeding. "I was afraid. I thought the person -- at the time I didn't know it was an officer -- was going to shoot me," said Graber. The father of two and Air National Guardsman could go to prison for recording the audio of the traffic stop ultimately because he posted it on YouTube. "I posted it on YouTube because my mom was worried about the legality of it, and she was upset that a police officer pulled a firearm on me because I'm not a criminal," said Graber. "When that plainclothes trooper witnessed this, initially he got out of his car, he held that gun at his side, momentarily. When he saw the situation was under control he quickly put it away. He never pointed it at the individual. We think he acted appropriately," said Greg Shipley, Maryland State Police. State police saw the video online, reopened the investigation and turned Graber's traffic ticket into reckless and negligent driving charges. "Anybody driving over 100 miles per hour on one wheel up Interstate 95 ought to expect to be pulled over," said Shipley. Maryland is a two-party consent state. That means you can't record somebody without telling them. It's a felony to break that law. That's exactly what state police told the motorcyclist when they came to his house more than a month after he'd been pulled over. "I don't want to go to jail. I haven't really done anything wrong. It wasn't a violent crime. No one was injured. No one was hurt," said Graber. The Harford County State's Attorney is handling the case, but has not charged the motorcyclist. http://wjz.com/local/traffic.stop.yo...2.1621320.html |
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He is allowed to record himself. His intent was not to record the officer. He simply did not have time to turn the recording device off before the officer ID'd himself. So I don't believe this guy did anything wrong because there was no intent. I believe this will be thrown out of court.
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I posted that I thought the plain clothes officer acted inappropriately and I STILL DO...nothing has changed with that opinion.
I also have posted that I think this charge about videotaping is BS...HOWEVER now that I see that "Maryland is a two-party consent state"...the guy did fvck up by posting this on YouTube. :idk: |
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Here in NC only one of the two parties involved has to know it's being recorded so that $hit wouldn't fly here but in Maryland obviously it's different and I didn't know that until this thread was posted. |
Apparently its fine in Canada, as long as your part of the convo.. I had heard of this, but just looked it up for clarification. Cool law.
Canada requires "one-party notification" - only one person in the conversation needs to be aware that the conversation is being taped. In other words, the person taping the conversation must be participating in it. You will find this law in the Criminal Code of Canada. CRIMINAL CODE OF CANADA: PART VI: INVASION OF PRIVACY: Section 183.1: Where a private communication is originated by more than one person or is intended by the originator thereof to be received by more than one person, a consent to the interception thereof by any one of those persons is sufficient consent for the purposes of any provision of this Part. [1993, c.40, s.2.]" http://www.efc.ca/pages/law/cc/cc.183.1.html Definitions: "A one party state means one party to the telephone conversation has to have knowledge and give consent. In a two party state, all parties must have knowledge and give consent." "In Ontario, Canada... it is only legal to tape a conversation when at least ONE of the people involved in the conversation is aware that it is being recorded." http://www.telephonemagic.com/call_r..._equipment.htm |
This kind of asinine behavior is just going to make more people run. Pulling a gun on someone from an unmarked car, out of uniform, pulling them off the bike, charging them with recording...they're insane. This is absolutely inexcusable behavior and people are going to vote against it with their right wrists.
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The problem with written law is that it can be misinterpreted, and sometimes, the act that the law is meant to prevent, is not what the law is "used for". People will use the law "as written", as a means of accomplishing another goal...like COVERING ONE'S ASS FOR BEING A BAD POLICE OFFICER...which is what happened here. Law win, justice fail. The People lose. ...time to revise. |
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So, why not just repost the video without audio? |
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http://poopnugget.com/files/helmetcam.jpg Here's his camera. Do you think the cop knew he might be recorded? I think the only thing that would have made it more obvious is if he had a sound man, with a boom mic riding two up with him. Thrown out of court in 3 seconds, if his lawyer is so much as even awake. |
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The AUDIO isn't what makes this incredible. |
Actually, without the audio, this appears to be a carjacking...er, bike-jacking.
It's actually more damning, if you then know it's a cop. |
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I hope he wins in court. I carry a firearm at times and may have shot the officer in this situation. :idk: |
I love how the cops insisted he saw the marked unit behind him.
I don't think ANYONE'S gaze would have been on anything but the guy with the gun YELLING. |
And since when do cops come hollering up to a vehicle screaming at them to get out ( off) with a gun in their hand?
What was this officers ( term used loosely) problem? |
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This thing is total BS. Ill be really surprised if this guy goes to jail for this. Ima getting me a Helmet cam now lol.
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I just checked the Maryland statute that he's charged under. It specifies "The wilful interception, use, or disclosure of a protected communication..." Under that specification he might have to worry about the disclosure aspect, as he posted it publicly. Here's an interesting little document that was issued in 2000 though:
http://www.oag.state.md.us/Opinions/2000/85oag225.pdf |
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After watching that and hearing this guy is getting screwed over somthing like this i think im going to spend my money on this baby.
http://vholdr.com/ http://vholdr.com/contourhd/img/overviewLeft.jpg |
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Legally I can't find any indication that the interaction qualifies, either through Maryland code or precedent. At the very least, if cruiser behind them (the one that allegedly pulled up behind them) captured the same events and that is not considered protected communication then why would the individual recording the same event be threatened with man rape? Protected or priveledged communications usually fall under areas where a person may reasonably expect to be safe from unauthorized surveillance. Malpas v. Maryland, 695 A.2d 588 Benford v. American Broadcasting Co., 649 F. Supp. 9 What these asshole are doing is trying to scare the guy by throwing wiretapping laws around. Typical of stupid entitlement driven authority figures who get caught being assholes. |
The fact that an authority figure is flexing his muscles after one of his people acted like a dick-head in no way invalidates the possibility that a court will make a stupid decision in said dick-head's favour. It happens every day.
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Does a police officer have a reasonable expectation of privacy on a public road? Who the fuck has an expectation of privacy in public? To rule in the states favor would effectively criminalize all security cameras, speed cameras, red light cameras in the state. Even the state police would run into problems with onboard video. This is pure intimidation by the DA and police. Threaten with prison and legal fees to make it go away. |
Its just too bad he hadn't been packing, and shot the cop when he pulled the gun, before he identified himself. Cocksuckers.
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HOLY SHIT!
They raided his parent's home and seized all the computers? I missed that part of the story? Why is every single person in Maryland not rushing the Capitol right now and demanding this be fixed? I try not to get carried away, but this is some straight up gestapo behavior. Unfuckingreal. Worse part? There hasn't been mass rioting....nobody gives a fuck anymore. So sad. |
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Officer keeps us safe. Wheelie popping rice racer makes us not safe. |
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This is a great 'abuse of power' news story... I wonder why nobody has picked it up...
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But getting a judge to sign a search warrant and raiding this guy's parent's home? I mean, physically entering their home under threat of jail or death and rummaging through your things....then seizing (see: stealing) the computers... That just blows my mind. |
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*Most frequent cause of this unwarranted search is the "DWB" stop. |
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But this seems to be of a bit different flavor than the usual "Constitutional Shredding" in that after the initial dickmove they got a search warrant and served it at this guy's home, his parent's home actually. That's different... |
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I don't think the pulling the gun is a big deal, considering the rider was backing up and could potentially pose a threat to the officer if he had charged him or whatever. And it wasn't even pointed at him anyway. The bigger deal in this case is the video seizure. Cops and the DA are just mad that they got embarassed on Youtube, and want revenge.
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I think he needs a jury of his peers; riders! |
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Wow.
This shit is Ridiculous. I fucking hate The law. I really do. |
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Are you retarded? He pulled a gun on a man with no indication he was a police officer. As I already stated, its too bad the rider hadn't whipped out a pistol and shot the cocksucker on sight of his gun with no credentials out. |
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:shrug: Too bad. |
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I just do NOT understand. How the hell does this stand? I mean, the code he was charged with reference interception - he didn't intercept anything. He didn't HIDE anything.
Does this guy have a legal fund we can contribute to? And, sorry - if ANYONE comes at me with their car, THEN a gun without in any way identifying themselves as an officer... you're damn right I'd back-peddle for my life. |
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Here is the video leading up to the stop and the stop
http://www.autoblog.com/2010/04/19/m...hel/#continued |
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So you pull over at a light. He was toward the side. He stopped. If he was evading he would have easily blown past all the stopped cars. The car was still unmarked. Officer in plain clothes. Unannounced. Bad form. |
Just saw the vids, yeah pretty sure I would have been backing up as well with a random car pulling in front of me like that, regardless of the gun being pulled, which just aggravated the scene IMO.
Looked totally like some random guy that had a dislike for bikers up until he said "state police", which by that time he already had his hand on the bike. |
After watching the whole video i think he knew the Patrol car was there but still how was he supposed to know there was an undercover cop there as well. Bad move by officer. The cops should of the the one in the patrol car pull up. There would of been no need for the gun in that case and im pretty sure the biker would of just gotten off the bike. Therefore no incident.
Now even though he is getting charged for recording, its pretty easy to miss the massive video camera attached to the top of his helmet. Not!!!!!! the damn cop must be blind or something. That thing is huge!!!!! There is no way the cop would of been able to miss something like that on the helmet of that rider. Thats ridiculous. If the cop did somehow miss "the massive camera attached to the helmet" then he shouldn't be an officer for lack of attention to detail. I still believe this will fall through in court. |
I'm guessing that he's being charged for releasing the video, not for taking it.
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