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EpyonXero 06-01-2010 10:21 AM

Video Gamers Can Control Dreams, Study Suggests
 
http://www.livescience.com/culture/v...ms-100525.html

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Playing video games before bedtime may give people an unusual level of awareness and control in their dreams, LiveScience has learned.

That ability to shape the alternate reality of dream worlds might not match mind-bending Hollywood films such as "The Matrix," but it could provide an edge when fighting nightmares or even mental trauma.

Dreams and video games both represent alternate realities, according to Jayne Gackenbach, a psychologist at Grant MacEwan University in Canada. But she pointed out that dreams arise biologically from the human mind, while video games are technologically driven by computers and gaming consoles.

"If you're spending hours a day in a virtual reality, if nothing else it's practice," said Jayne Gackenbach, a psychologist at Grant MacEwan University in Canada. "Gamers are used to controlling their game environments, so that can translate into dreams."

Gackenbach first became interested in video games in the 1990s, when she watched her son repeatedly kiss a new Nintendo gaming console on the way home from a Toys "R" Us. She had previously focused on studying lucid dreams, in which people have awareness of being in a dream.

The last decade of game-related research has since yielded several surprises, although the findings represent suggestive associations rather than definitive proof, Gackenbach cautioned. She is scheduled to discuss her work as a featured speaker at the Sixth Annual Games for Health Conference in Boston this week.

What dreams may come

Several intriguing parallels between lucid dreams and video games first emerged when Gackenbach examined past research on games. Both lucid dreamers and gamers seemed to have better spatial skills and were less prone to motion sickness.

The two groups have also demonstrated a high level of focus or concentration, whether honed through lucidity-training activities, such as meditation, or through hours spent fighting virtual enemies to reach the next level in a game.

That encouraged Gackenbach to survey the dreams of both non-gamers and hardcore gamers, beginning with two studies published in 2006. She had prepared by conducting larger surveys in-class and online to get a sense of where to focus questions.

The first study suggested that people who frequently played video games were more likely to report lucid dreams, observer dreams where they viewed themselves from outside their bodies, and dream control that allowed people to actively influence or change their dream worlds – qualities suggestive of watching or controlling the action of a video-game character.

A second study tried to narrow down the uncertainties by examining dreams that participants experienced from the night before, and focused more on gamers. It found that lucid dreams were common, but that the gamers never had dream control over anything beyond their dream selves.

The gamers also frequently flipped between a first person view from within the body and a third person view of themselves from outside, except never with the calm detachment of a distant witness.

"The first time we simply asked people how often they had lucid dreams, looking back over their life and making judgment calls," Gackenbach told LiveScience. "That's open to all kinds of bias, [such as] certain memory biases, self-reported biases."

Gackenbach eventually replicated her findings about lucid dreaming and video games several times with college students as subjects, and refined her methods by controlling for factors such as frequency of recalling dreams.

Mastering the nightmare world

Finding awareness and some level of control in gamer dreams was one thing. But Gackenbach also wondered if video games affected nightmares, based on the "threat simulation" theory proposed by Finnish psychologist Antti Revonsuo.

Revonsuo suggested that dreams might mimic threatening situations from real life, except in the safe environment of dream world. Such nightmares would help organisms hone their avoidance skills in a protective environment, and ideally prepare organisms for a real-life situation.

To test that theory, Gackenbach conducted a 2008 study with 35 males and 63 females, and used independent assessments that coded threat levels in after-dream reports. She found that gamers experienced less or even reversed threat simulation (in which the dreamer became the threatening presence), with fewer aggression dreams overall.

In other words, a scary nightmare scenario turned into something "fun" for a gamer.

"What happens with gamers is that something inexplicable happens," Gackenbach explained. "They don't run away, they turn and fight back. They're more aggressive than the norms."

Levels of aggression in gamer dreams also included hyper-violence not unlike that of an R-rated movie, as opposed to a non-gamer PG-13 dream.

"If you look at the actual overall amount of aggression, gamers have less aggression in dreams," Gackenbach said. "But when they're aggressive, oh boy, they go off the top."

No fear

The gamer dream experience of high aggression levels matched with little or no fear inspired Gackenbach to pursue a new study with Athabasca University in Canada. If gaming can act as a semi-protective function against nightmares, she reasoned, maybe it could help war veterans who experience post-traumatic stress disorder (PTSD) after enduring combat.

"I don't think anyone has looked at whether there's been a protective function," Gackenbach said. "It makes a lot of sense, but it's a hypothesis."

Psychologists consider nightmares as one of the symptoms of PTSD, and studies have shown incredibly high rates of nightmares ranging from 71 to 96 percent among PTSD patients. By contrast, just 3 to 5 percent of civilians reported the same levels of nightmares.

Virtual reality simulators have already been used to help PTSD patients gradually adjust to the threatening situations that plague their waking and sleeping thoughts. If Gackenbach's hunch is correct, perhaps video games could also help relieve the need for nightmares.

Finding the balance

Gackenbach hopes to someday get a sleep lab and perhaps a virtual reality lab to verify her results, even if studies about video games and dreams have not proven the highest priority for receiving funds. Yet studying video games has attracted more interest and respect from colleagues than studying just dreams alone, she has noticed.

Some of Gackenbach's latest work includes studying the violence levels in games, based upon the video game ratings given out by the Entertainment Software Rating Board, and seeing what effect they have upon aggression within dreams.

"I'm not saying [gamers] don't get more aggressive, not saying there's not more problems with addiction, and not saying there's not obesity issues," Gackenbach said. "As with everything else, there's a balance."

Any military personnel or veterans interested in the Athabasca University study on the military and gaming can e-mail jayneg@athabascau.ca to find out how to participate.

defector 06-01-2010 10:22 AM

Wow. Interesting.

the chi 06-01-2010 10:34 AM

Very interesting. I remember having to curtail my gaming as a child because I started playing in my sleep...I wonder if thats why I can control my dreams now. :lol:

defector 06-01-2010 10:40 AM

Courtesy of Dokken and A Nightmare on Elm Street (5 I think?)

I lie awake and dread the lonely nights
I?m not alone
I wonder if these heavy eyes
Can face the unknown
When I clse my eyes I realize
You?ll come my way
I?m standing in the night alone
Forever together

We?re the dream warriors
Don?t wanna dream no more
We?re the dream warriors
And maybe tonight
Maybe tonight you?ll be gone

I feel the touch comin? over me
I can?t explain
I hear the voices callin? out
Callin? my name
It?s the same desire to feel the fire
That?s comin? your way
I?m standing in the night alone
Forever together

We?re the dream warriors
Don?t wanna dream no more
We?re the dream warriors
Maybe tonight you?ll be gone
We?re the dream warriors
Ain?t gonna dream no more
And maybe tonight
Maybe tonight you?ll be gone

Sweet revenge, the bitter end
This time
Break the spell of illusion
Bound together waiting for you

Dream warriors
Don?t wanna dream no more
We?re the dream warriors
Maybe tonight you?ll be gone
We?re the dream warriors
Ain?t gonna dream no more
We?re the dream warriors
And maybe tonight
Maybe tonight you?ll be gone
Dream warriors
Maybe tonight you?ll be gone
Dream warriors, forever
Dream warriors
Maybe tonight you?ll be gone
Dream warriors

Dave 06-01-2010 10:52 AM

I've been playing since the ti 99/4a days :lol: and I can excercise quite a bit of control in dreams, especially if I become aware that I'm dreaming.

Last night I was riding a queen sized bed with wheels on it through an abandoned army base in fall with TL and my cat max towards a LOTR style end of the world battle. Pretty sweet.

Sixxxxer 06-01-2010 11:54 AM

I def think its true...I was having a good ass dream this morning...THen i woke up and smelled bacon and eggs.

Shit was awesome!!

Dave 06-01-2010 11:58 AM

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Originally Posted by Sixxxxer (Post 378319)
I def think its true...I was having a good ass dream this morning...THen i woke up and smelled bacon and eggs.

Shit was awesome!!

Hrm that reminds me of dinner last night, bacon cheeseburger with fried eggs, amazing :drool:

Sixxxxer 06-01-2010 12:00 PM

Goddamn you whore!!

All I wanted yesterday was a Fucking Cheeseburger on Memorial Day...

Dave 06-01-2010 12:02 PM

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Originally Posted by Sixxxxer (Post 378323)
Goddamn you whore!!

All I wanted yesterday was a Fucking Cheeseburger on Memorial Day...

You shoulda dropped by, I have tons of the shit left over from tl's bday

Sixxxxer 06-01-2010 12:07 PM

I was stuck at work.

Dont even get me started...Lol

Dave 06-01-2010 12:17 PM

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Originally Posted by Sixxxxer (Post 378329)
I was stuck at work.

Dont even get me started...Lol

Cert not of the same quality but you do have a wendy's down the street iirc

Rider 06-01-2010 12:25 PM

My dreams are like the song Sleepwalker by Megadeth. I often dream like this.


Quote:

I should be calling collect from jail
For the things I commit each night in my head
Like last night in my sleep I got to snuff you
But then I woke up again, safe in my little bed

No one is safe when I close my eyes; I come to take your life

I get to force your untimely disappearance
Each night in my dreams, when I'm fast asleep
I close my eyes and you just vanish soon as I
Lay down my head when I'm dead to the whole wide world

No one is safe when I close my eyes; I come to take your life
And then I wake up and it was all just a dream
And everything is the same

Sleepwalker - Did I give you concrete shoes?
And throw you off of a bridge
Sleepwalker - When I lay down to sleep
Pray your soul's mine to keep, I feel you near me
Go to sleep, Sleepwalker

Just taking a stroll; don't go to sleep! Here's some toothpicks for your eyes!

You always make an excellent cadaver
I roll your body up in a carpet to make music in the
Trunk of my limousine, wrapped up in a rug
A fitting end, is that I send you up the river like a punk

No one is safe when I close my eyes; I come to take your life

The angel of death is pissed off at me again
Just because I got to put you out of my misery
It doesn't matter, I am without fear
Now you're dead, I won't shed another bloody tear for you

No one is safe when I close my eyes; I come to take your life
I'm calling down the thunder, then you'll sleep with the fishes
The answer to all of my wishes

Sleepwalker - Did I tell you I was in movies?
Then dump you garroted, lying naked in a ditch
Sleepwalker - Everyday, another way, I know you can hear me


I think you'd look nice in a Colombian necktie
Should stop your tongue from wagging the dog
No more stupidity from you, as I pull your tongue through
For a smile from ear to ear, now there's nothing to hear

No one is safe when I close my eyes; I come to take your life
And then I wake up and it was all just a dream
And everything is still the same

Sleepwalker - Did I give you concrete shoes?
And throw your body off of a bridge
Sleepwalker - When I lay down to sleep
Pray your soul is mine to keep, I feel you near me

Sleepwalker - Or did I tell you I was in movies?
Then dump you garroted, lying naked in a ditch
Sleepwalker - Everyday, another way, I know you can hear me

Sleepwalker - Did I buy you the farm?
Put a horse head in your bed
Sleepwalker - When I lay down to sleep
Pray your soul is mine to keep, I feel you near me

Sleepwalker - Everyday
Everyday another way
Sleepwalker - When I lay down to sleep
Pray your soul is mine to keep, I know you can hear me

Dave 06-01-2010 12:35 PM

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Originally Posted by Rider (Post 378338)
My dreams are like the song Sleepwalker by Megadeth. I often dream like this.

A lot of mine go that way, like that sword duel dream I had a few months ago. I've got my own theories on that though :lol:

Rider 06-01-2010 12:40 PM

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Originally Posted by Dave (Post 378340)
A lot of mine go that way, like that sword duel dream I had a few months ago. I've got my own theories on that though :lol:

My last really vivid dream was me killing a homeless man for no reason. I picked him up by his ankles and swung him around like a baseball bat into the concrete floor over and over until his head popped like a tomato. I know, freaky but that's how I dream. When I woke up I almost thought it really happened.

Dave 06-01-2010 01:13 PM

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Originally Posted by Rider (Post 378342)
My last really vivid dream was me killing a homeless man for no reason. I picked him up by his ankles and swung him around like a baseball bat into the concrete floor over and over until his head popped like a tomato. I know, freaky but that's how I dream. When I woke up I almost thought it really happened.

Lmao, the interesting ones are when my brain gets around the limiter. Nothing like waking up to mystery bruises, lacerations, and the odd bloody knuckles. Don't tend to remember those. Luckily they've gone down in recent years

njchopper87 06-01-2010 03:47 PM

I have control over my dreams fairly often. I haven't payed much attention to it, but I have a lot of first person with some switching to third and back again. I didn't really think anything of it since it happens so often.. is it really that rare for others?

Anyways.. my dreams are usually pretty real. Not in the sense of every day life, but there's nothing like Dave's dream in there. There's a sense of coherency in the fantasy world if that makes any sense. Most are violent in some way shape or form. A few of my dreams were really brutal and maniacal though.. we're talkin twisted torture/disfigurement with a sadistic smile. Actually scared myself when I woke up a couple times. Pretty bad ass haha. Before I get the funny looks they rarely go that route. :p


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