Judge Blocks Obama's Ban on Offshore Drilling
 

thank god.

http://www.aolnews.com/gulf-oil-spil...3?ncid=webmail

Yay!

I bet it won't stick.

Yay companies who put profit above safety

I am not thrilled that drilling will be reinstated but I am thrilled that this administration is stringing up a long line of losses in federal court. When challanges against Obamacare hit the courts watching it be overturned will thrill me

pwned.

While I think the oil companies need to be held to much higher standards I have to acknowledge that stopping all offshore activity is going to put a lot of guys around here out of work. Stopping drilling for six months is meaningless. What they need to do is force the oil companies to review their safety practices and be accountable. If that involves a period of inactivity then so be it, but workers should be compensated.

This ban hurt any company involved in deepwater drilling, regardless of how they prioritize safety and profit.

This sequence of words is to my liking. It's not just the people's jobs though.. we can't totally depend on foreign oil.

I am not defending this judge,but the majority of people that have something other than social security as part of their retirement plan have at least some investment in oil companies, banks and health insurance companies. SO I love it when these self righteous morons rant against big companies THEY have invested in through their 401K or other brokered investment.

The stop order on offshore drilling is logical considering the information on equipment and practices that came out of the current shennanigans.

With the enviromental and economic impact of the current mess at both the local and national scales, I'd rather a stop order be issued so that other operations could be reviewed rather than...

"Hey guys, yall keep doing what yer doing...we'll be around soon to check ya out"

When a plane blows because of a defective part or design, you ground the whole fleet so you can inspect them.
You don't keep em flying because grounding will hurt the industries stock price.

Seems pretty logical to me too. Since there are a finite number of companies involved, several of which have been implicated in this fiasco, it seems only smart to call a moratorium and check that existing regulations are actually being followed.

That would make sense, if any regulations were broken or even being checked.

I don't know about regulations, but I have seen at least 3-4 articles talking about questionable engineering decisions on that rig.

Weren't they required to have preventers in place that would have stopped the natural gas release, that caused the initial explosion?

They had a BOP. Its what is still on the ground.

The decisions came with applied permits the government approved.

Pretty much.

From what I have seen there has mostly been speculation about what happened. We know the blow-off preventer valve failed. There isn't much information beyond that. I suspect there will not be much more information about this specific failure until the valve can be brought up from the bottom months, if not years, from now.

For your airplane comparison, look at TWA 800. It blew up and killed 230 people. There was immediate grounding of 747s as a result. No recommendations were made about the fleet by the NTSB until their final report was released 4 years later. Aircraft fleets are usually not grounded unless there is an identified fault known to affect the whole fleet that poses an immediate danger if not fixed. I don't see all deepwater drilling being at that level.

In the aviation industry they will ground an entire fleet precisely to determine IF a common fault exists.

This....

And when you conduct the inspections...and find out that it's not a defective part, it's deliberate corner cutting causing the problem...you bust the ever loving shit out of the people responsible.

True, but they don't do it based on an unidentified fault on a single aircraft. Look at the rudder issues that caused multiple 737 crashes resulting in hundreds of fatalities. It took years to identify what the problem was, and even more years before the fix was required. I don't believe the 737 fleet was ever grounded.

Also true, but they don't "bust the ever loving shit out of" the entire airline industry, which would be the comparison to this complete deepwater drilling ban.

But, in this case it was't JUST the BOP.

If the cement job would have held....
If the riser wasn't displaced with seawater....
If the....

And, the government was notified and approved the capping of this well. The disaster plan of an estimated FIVE MONTHS from TransOcean and BP was approved on the permit. And, now everyone is upset with BP over the fact that it will take five months?

:idk:

Hell, let's fuck over the entire industry. That's cool....

The government is playing it safe.
It would rather risk fucking over the "industry" then fuck over "people".
Once they get the information they need and put together the fancy reports saying "Iz okay" the ban will be lifted.

:lol: Errrrr, ok.

Who approved that type of placement for the cement? From what I read, it was not to industry standards?

Who approved this decision? And more importantly...WHY? From what I read, the decision was made in order to save a little time...and a lot of money...against the judgement of the drilling crew.

Fucking off the recovery is only PART of the reason people are upset....the true anger derives from the fact that these people (Transocean and BP and Halliburton and the Federal Regulators charged with over seeing the activities of all of the above....CAUSED this issue....through negligence...corner cutting...attempting to save money rather than be conservative...and safe. Now, 11 people are dead....the Gulf of Mexico (and anywhere else the oil/sludge/tar/gas winds up going) is fucked for YEARS...likely DECADES.

So, um, yeah....people are pissed...and they SHOULD be.

I know nothing about what type of process Haliburton used, all I know is it didn't hold. Filling the riser with saltwater is part of the normal process, they have to displace it with something to recover the mud. This well was "done" which is why they were doing it. I'm not criticizing what they did, only that it was the timing of things happening. Any one isolated thing happening in the process wouldn't have caused a catastrophe. But, six things together.... and boom.

People are just mad. I'm ok with that. I'm not arguing whether they should be. Just being knee jerk and bitching for the sake of it all should be something I'm used to, huh?

After all, I should be "glad" this is going down. Or so I was told by someone that it will make my husband's job safer. I would be, except I was told that by several people who have no idea what he does, what happened here, what goes on, where he is, blah blah blah.

And?

and...


http://www.technologyreview.com/energy/25238/page1/

... and ...

http://blogs.ft.com/energy-source/20...live-blogging/

“There was oil industry boosterism that minimised potential hazards. There was a boosterism on the part of the previous [Bush] administration that got rid of protections that they viewed as obstacles to increased drilling. Now we see the results: boosterism led to complacency. And complacency led to disaster. And this is a disaster.”

~ Ed Markey, chairman of the energy and the environment subcommittee

Tough to argue with this assessment.

Please keep posting online articles, it kills time while I'm out running around.

Blame Bush.

http://www.oregonlive.com/news/index...ean_execu.html

Blame an over eager profit motive, more like.

Right... Blame the motherfuckers who made shitty decisions all along the way, the guys who's pockets got lined and the fuckers who authorized the cutting of corners... Put the blame where the blame is due...

And blame the laissez-faire attitude towards regulation adopted by Republicans. Most of whom's main concern in life is "Hey, I'm worth a bit of money, I should do anything I possibly can to protect that"

Bush was just a fuckup all-around, it never ceases to amaze me how many people still deny that. I could care less how "get-er-done" he was, he was still the worst president this country has ever had. Instead of admitting his faults, conservatives would rather say "Well you blamed Bush for everything, so now we're going to blame Obama for everything, ha ha ha"

Liberals tend to over-regulate. Conservatives like to give the impression of being "law & order", but fail to provide adequate funding to actually enforce regulations. Of the two, I think that over-regulation is preferable to complete failure.

I'm fine with that too. What I don't like is shutting the entire deepwater drilling industry down based on a single incident others in the industry had nothing to do with.

Do you know what regulations were changed under Bush that pertain to this incident?

I'm not a fan of Bush, but he gets credit for WAAAAAAYYYY more than what he had real impacts on... Someone farted in an elevator one time and that was Bush's fault too. Still don't consider him to be the worst ever... just the worst recently.

Easy to say for this situation... However, there's no evidence saying that this couldn't have happened under Obama's watch... I mean, what has he changed that would have prevented it?

Doesn't matter... everything shitty that happened from 2001-present is Bush's fault.

Hard to say, given that the economy took a dump when he was stepping up. Shoulda, woulda, coulda. Remember, during the Bush regime people were blaming Clinton and Carter(!) for how the banking system fell apart.

Well technically Carter and Clinton did create/amend the legislation that allowed it to happen, but they are not fully to blame. There is PLENTY of blame to go around... Bushy and Congress on both sides share it...

I agree.

I agree with this also. In fact approval to drill this particular site was issued under the Obama administration, though it was very early on. Still, I don't know of any major changes in drilling regulations since Obama has been in office. The only differences I heard between Bush's and Obama's offshore oil plans were ones of geography, not regulation. Regardless, I don't blame Obama for this oil spill.

I know, and there are plenty of things he does deserve blame for. I just think it is funny that apparently absolutely nothing happened before he took office, and there was no one else in government while he was in office.:lol:

No shit right? I think it clouds the issue of his true fuckups...

And others also amended, or failed to correct, then later claimed that it was someone else's fault. Yup, the blame goes all the way 'round.

No regulations need to be changed in order for change to occur. The "right" people simply need to be appointed (those whose political philosophy aligns with the President), and you'll get change alright.

The Minerals Management Service was screwed up before Bush took office, was screwed up while Bush was in office, and has been screwed up since Obama took office. There wasn't much change at all.:shrug:

Weak sauce... like salsa consisting of only tomato paste... WEAK.

That shit will go away like "emergency" taxes :lmao: