Your Droid is probably spying on you.
 

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/38453730...ence-wireless/

Further proof that phones are for fucking phone calls...and smart phones are for dumb people (sorry...they're just not secure).

I think I'm even gonna lose my ancient Motorola 815, and go even further back in time to either a StarTac, or a fucking brick...something that can't run ANYONE'S fucking software.

...I'm off to eBay!

:scared:

paranoid much?

Nah, just don't like encouraging information theft.

well just don't get a phone that connects to the internet. You don't need to go back to a zach morris phone.

Nokia 918. You can even throw it at someone and hurt them pretty severely :lol:

Man, the StarTac. I remember that piece of crap. They were the canaries of the EM world, anytime they were exposed to emissions of even moderate strength the RT fried. I went through three of them before I realized HF tests on the OTHER END OF THE FLIGHTLINE was the cause of their irritating demise.
http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedi...olaStarTAC.jpg

My droid is a piece of fucking shit. It's probably sending info to assholes in Tard language.

Other than naked pictures of the Mrs, I could care less what they can get to on my phone... Seriously.

Contact info - oh noes!!!! They used to print these things called phone books that had everyone's contact info in it! I cannot believe it!!!

Text messages - oh how scary!!! Someone is interested in knowing about what I want for dinner, how the Mrs did on her exam, and what time my party starts! How will I survive?!

Interwebz search history - I can't handle it!!! People are gonna know I've looked at porn, I like motorcycles, and I buy shit off of Craigslist and eBay!!! Dear god!!!

So fucking what... who cares... you could probably find out all of that shit about me in a 5 minute conversation anyway... My litmus test - if I meet someone new, would I share that shit with them? If the answer is yes, then it's NOT sensitive information.

We aren't talking activation codes to nuke warheads here people, you aren't that special. If they can use that info to figure out what ads to send me, let them go to town on it... probably make my immersion into the world of consumerism more enjoyable anyway.

Heh, it's like people who black out their license plate info in pictures on the internet... Do you cover that shit up when you park your car outside of Wally-World? What's the fucking difference? It's on the back of your car at all times... does putting it out on the web make it MORE public?

Exactly, too much shit to dig through to find me

I'm sure its full of contempt for you too

:ty:

Throw it on the ground again....maybe that will sort it out. :lol:

Most people I know (of all ages) prefer to keep at least some personal details private.

Eventually you're going to run into a certain person, or social situation, or job opportunity where you won't want them to know that you frequently download interracial anal pr0n, or that you buy & sell Nazi memorabilia on Ebay, or whatever it is that you do.

The only place I could see this being a possibility through the monitoring of phone useage and whatnot, would be for government jobs. Otherwise, is your phone provider or the company who writes the app really going to give your information to some chick you try to pick up at the grocery store or the big wig you want to impress at the fancy dinner?

It's all about how useful the info is... Anyone who cares enough about that info can get it easily enough from other sources already... I know I'm never going to be trying to get double secret security clearance, so who the fuck cares. It's not like they are going to gather this information and tattoo it to your forehead.

I honestly think we're moving towards that day. With how everyone seems so laissez-faire about sharing their personal details on Facebook, linking their FB to tons of other sites, letting Gmail scan their emails for key words, etc.

Companies are starting to assume we don't care about privacy, or at least won't protest.....So they create default settings with no privacy protections, and you have to read 100 pages of fine print to even know they did that.

I, but for a few professional instances, where required (and then only in my "stage name"), am kinda scarce on the Internet.

Curiously, all of my most intellectual friends of the past are too.

It's made catching up with them more difficult, over the past few years, but it's pretty consistent. The ones I remember as being the smart ones ARE actually keeping their info off the radar...I'm sure it's not a coincidence.

Is it the company's fault we are willing to give them this data or ours? I think it is ours. I don't put anything in email or on my phone that I don't want out there. So they know what type of bike I ride and what I buy with a credit card, that doesn't bother me. If it is something I care about, I pay cash or don't put it in electronic form.

You are able to conduct all your personal/sensitive conversations face to face?

I don't have any sensitive conversations on my personal phone or personal email address. My work email and work phone is very restrictive. Neither goes on my personal phone. If you want that level of security, droid and iphone aren't the way to go period. Just ask the UAE, if you want it private, go with a corporate controlled blackberry.

I meant personal/sensitive to you, not to your employer.

What sort of skeletons do you fuckers have in your closet?

I have a foul mouth, a sick sense of humor, look at porn, and have had my fair share of illegal substances flow through my veins... I couldn't see ANY of that hindering my ability to get a job.

I've sat in more than enough meetings with corporate executives who were dropping f-bombs, talking about the hot secretary, and making inappropriate jokes to know that it doesn't fucking matter.

If you don't have a criminal record, can pass a drug test *now*, and have the skills/education/experience required for the position, you're hired. I don't plan on working with children... fucking hate 'em. I don't plan on working in the public sector in any capacity that would warrant anyone even contemplating going that far to find out about me.

It's one thing for a recruiter to jump on Facebook to find out a bit about a person, it's another for them to go out and buy data on text messaging and internet usage. Again, I got nothing to hide.

Actually, I'm probably much more boring than even you.

Just don't like to be "followed around", or tracked by anyone.

:shrug:

In my experience, with corporate jobs, nobody does what you describe, unless it's the Sales team going out for happy hour. Everyone else is very practiced at watching what they say.

Now, if it's a blue-collar business, or a small internet startup full of 20-somethings, things would be different.........But I'm talking large Fortune 500 type environments.

Maybe in the meetings but get those guys/gals out afterward and it is a whole different story.

I'm talking Fortune 100 type environments.

In my experience it is a blend of both.
Like OSP described - when we are dealing within our own company. When we are dealing with customers, it is like you described.

Face to face only. I don't like talking on the phone or emailing. If it's something that important to me then it doesnt get broadcasted.

Experts: BlackBerry ban could affect privacy everywhere
By Doug Gross, CNN

STORY HIGHLIGHTS
NEW: Saudi Arabia will halt BlackBerry services starting August 5
Analysts: BlackBerry ban in the United Arab Emirates could hurt privacy in other countries
China, India and others reportedly are considering similar regulations
BlackBerry encrypts its phone communications but UAE says it wants data access for security

(CNN) -- Smartphone users in countries all over the world could lose some privacy if threats and promises by foreign nations to shut down BlackBerry services goes through, analysts say.

On Sunday, the UAE threatened to block access to e-mail, web browsing and text messages on the popular smartphone on October 11 if its owner, Research In Motion, doesn't provide government access for security investigations.

And on Tuesday, the Saudi Communications and Information Technology Commission asked mobile communications companies in Saudi Arabia to halt BlackBerry service in the kingdom beginning August 5, the official Saudi Press Agency reported.

"The impact can be huge if this thing continues to go forward," said Kevin Burden, a vice president and mobile-industry analyst with ABI Research. "If something like this holds up, you can expect governments in other emerging markets to follow suit."

Burden cited reports that governments in countries such as China, India and Kuwait already are considering similar requirements. They would no doubt be emboldened to move forward if the UAE acts, he said.

The BlackBerry is the dominant smartphone in the UAE, where the capital, Abu Dhabi, and the emirate of Dubai are major business hubs of the Middle East.

The threatened October 11 ban would affect more than a half-million BlackBerry users in the UAE, as well as visitors to Dubai and the rest of the emirates.

If BlackBerry access is blocked, other secure phones would no doubt follow, Burden said.

"My sense is that the UAE goes after RIM and BlackBerry, saying 'Let's start with the king in all of this. Let's knock them down, then all of the others will fall in place afterward,'" he said.

For consumers, the UAE controversy represents a growing battle between digital companies and governments over data security.

While companies like BlackBerry want to ensure their users' privacy, governments increasingly want access for security reasons.

BlackBerry messages are encrypted to keep them from being deciphered by anyone who might intercept them. Other companies, like Google, have added encryption -- in Google's case, after some private data was compromised, setting off a public spat with China's government.

Operating systems such as the iPhone's and Google's Android often store information "in the clouds," meaning over the internet, Beyers said, while BlackBerry sends data to its own offshore servers. Virtually all smartphone systems geared toward corporate clients are encrypted, though, he noted.

While various companies have agreed to offer "back doors" for governments when they're investigating potential security threats, BlackBerry's stock in trade has been privacy.

"RIM has been known as the very buttoned-down, corporate smartphone supplier," said Tim Beyers, a senior technology analyst for The Motley Fool. "Security is the No. 1 reason that perception has remained. That is their competitive advantage and anything that dilutes that story dilutes their corporate advantage and makes it harder for Research in Motion to grow."

Beyers doesn't predict that a ban in the UAE would lead to widespread government data grabs in many other countries. But some would definitely try, he said.

"It is chilling," he said. "I wouldn't overstate the concern, but at the same time I also think that if they're forced to create some sort of back door, there is the possibility that other governments will ask for a similar back door. Then that would be a problem."

In a written statement to CNN on Monday, RIM said it operates in 175 countries and does not comment on the talks it has with governments about privacy rules.

"RIM respects both the regulatory requirements of government and the security and privacy needs of corporations and consumers," the statement said.

"RIM assures its customers that it is committed to continue delivering highly secure and innovative products that satisfy the needs of both customers and governments."

The United Arab Emirates is defending its decision, with its ambassador in Washington arguing the United States and other countries require the same kind of access for security reasons.

But State Department spokesman P.J. Crowley called the move "a dangerous precedent," saying the United States supports the free flow of information and that the department will be "clarifying" the UAE's reasons for the announcement.

Both Burden and Beyers say the UAE government obviously would rather get concessions from RIM than shut down BlackBerry service altogether.

Burden expects RIM to seek support between now and October by making the case that a UAE ban would hurt other businesses and consumers, not just its own.

"[A ban] ultimately would be a very bad thing for RIM and it would be a bad thing for a lot of corporate e-mail systems as well," he said. "The reason we're all willing to use our BlackBerrys -- why our own government and the U.S. Congress can do it -- is that there is this promise that this is secure information.

"If you strip away that confidence, those are huge implications."

Now the article Homeslice posted puts a whole new spin on it.

I dont care as far as my info is concerned, I am not worried about sharing any vital info, but as far as "big brother" watching everything I do, just because they can, kinda puts me in the same court as Avatard, pained tho I am to admit it. :lol:

The higher up the chain you go, the less people hold back.

Depends on the customer... if you have a good relationship with a customer/client it can be a free for all. It also depends on what department you are talking about... HR - gotta watch it... Sales - 'fuck you too buddy!'

Maybe outside work, or behind closed doors (which I already said). But you get a CEO of a large company on TV or in a large meeting, and they're not going to be swearing or telling dirty jokes. They have to be polished or else they never would have gotten where they are. Especially if it's a public company, where he could be eliminated in the blink of an eye.

Do you live in an alternate universe?

Some of the most high up and successful people I have ever worked with or for, were some of the most uncouth disgusting assholes who ever walked the planet. Their public "client" face may have been polished and professional, but as far as in the office, including not behind closed doors, with the folks they worked with, it was no holds barred. Behavior, language, etc only matter with the clients, and they can treat everyone else like crap or speak to people in whatever way they want. After all, who's going to believe an employee over a CEO?

Ed Zachary.

As I started dealing more and more with the executives I started seeing more and more of this stuff... For the past couple years my exposure to that level has been significant, I am no longer surprised when attending f-bomb ladden meetings and whatnot.

^ That might be true for the owner of a company who started the place from ground up, but not for someone who worked their way up.

All I'm saying is, people who don't act professionally usually don't get promoted. At least not at a large office-bound company like Kraft, Hewlett-Packard, or Procter & Gamble. At places like that it's less about what you know, and more about how you act.

:lol: I see what the problem is here. You live on the West Coast.

In this alternate universe, called The South, there's this thing called a Good Ole Boys Club. If you're a member you can pretty much get whatever job you want, talk to folks however you want and be the biggest dick you want to be and it's okay. Because you're daddy knows your boss, who's your momma's second cousin and you went to school with some of the other assholes you work with. Those you dont know, arent related to and arent in "good" with the boss dont matter, they aren't from around here and you can do whatever you want because they arent members of your club.

Alternately, good old ole boys club aside, most of these "professional" execs you are enamored with got to where they are by stepping on the backs of folks below them. They know how to play the game better and make themselves look golden, so they can behave in a douchey manner and not have any repercussions, because when the bosses are looking (if they arent already the boss) they are on their best behavior.

You act professionally until you've earned enough title/experience to act otherwise. It's the same everywhere. True story - one of my first experiences with executives was with a VP of some sort from Sherwin Williams... the client contact was always super professional, but when this guy came to visit - he's all f-bombs and sex jokes. At 21 years old, I was BLOWN AWAY.

Out of all of the many interactions I've had... I'll tell you, the guy from Disney was the worst! Every other word was 'fuck' and he CONSTANTLY badmouthed Disney... And he had been there for 20+ years.

That is part of it.

I have been out partying in NYC and Chicago with high level execs ad have seen the same thing. The corporate meeting is all suit and tie stuffy and then we'd hit the town.

OSP mentioned it earlier. If you are hanging out with Accounting or HR maybe they are all stuffy all the time.

Hang out with the VP of marketing / sales / new accounts / etc. and you'd better plan for a long night of f-bombs and whores.

I've seen it with west coast, mid west, and east coast companies. It doesn't matter. Once you've proved your worth and paid your dues, you can drop f-bombs with the big boys.

Marketing not so much in my experience... For some reason they are relatively stuffy as well... Now the sales and business development guys...

Marketing has to be stuffy, because they rarely help the bottom line like salespeople do. Therefore they have to use other ways to protect themselves from getting axed.