Macho Man Dies
 

http://www.tmz.com/2011/05/20/randy-...stler-florida/

Is now an appropriate time?
http://www.nooooooooooooooo.com/

Damn man... Macho Man was always awesome... loved that guy.

Oooooooooohhhhhhh nooooooooooooo!

Heart attack at 58, poster boy for the just say NO to steriods campaign

Your posts get dumber and dumber...

Possible heart damage due to steroids, could be a million other things as well...

Yeah, you're right, I'm sure it's entirely coincidence.

Dude was 58 years old... not saying steriods didn't play a part, but to say he should be the poster boy is retarded... How about the guys who die of heart attacks in their 30's?

Yeah, I agree...poster boy is a stretch. Considering the stresses of the occupation (and, shall we say; the "exposures" to certain chemicals), I'd say he made it to a rather decent age.

If they were known steriod abusers, I would say yes to them too.

Would you be surprised if someone who smoked for 20 years died of lung cancer at 58?

id say the heart attack didn't kill him as much as the giant tree in the face did

I gotta agree, the guy did lots of steroids, all the wrestlers of that era did, and now their bodies are paying for it.



Hehehehehe

damn that sucks.

true

I know Lex Luger and Miss Elizabeth have something to do with this...

Slim Jims.

I got sent a case of those when I was in Iraq. I was so sick of the same shit to eat on my tiny patrol base, that I ate almost straight slim jims for a few days. Yeah I felt like I was going to die.

Well, think of it this way, you're probably still preserved from all those preservatives. :lol:

Dude is 58, lived rich and could do anything he wanted, and cut 10-12 years off of the average lifespan... I'll take that over living to 70, any day, any lifetime.

I had no idea she died some 8 years ago, did you?

http://karmaswrestlingretro.com/elizabeth.html

Yeppers, I remember that. Savage had a good run and with all the stuff he probably used back then it may have had a hand in his demise, but look at hogan and soem of these other guys, in their 50's and 60's and still performing.

Have you seen Hogan lately? He looks like a deflated, miniature version of the Hulkster. I saw him in a commercial with Troy Aiken. Aiken was bigger

I noticed that too, yo ucan see him or ric flair is even worse given flair was never realy that well toned anyway. I heard hogan actualy had one or 2 hip replacements, surprising he can still wrestle with them.

I thought Luger was dead, so I searched after I posted it and found out. Sounds familiar now...

Steroids are pretty awesome when you use them correctly, but these guys were doing it before people really knew how to do them safely and yea, its pretty hard on the ol' ticker.

NO

Look at Arnold. He's a skinny old man. Look at Paul Teutel from OCC, he's obviously stopped juicing, and instantly turned into an old man.

You stop, and it deflates back to where it might normally be, I guess, minus all the wear and tear...

:idk:

I love how everybody is talking about steriods when he was a legendary coke user.

:lmao:

Shows how ill informed you are on the subject. Just stick to MJ debates and you'll be fine.

I would not call Arnold skinny at all. He's 63 so obviously he's not going to be huge anymore, but when he's dressed in a well-tailored suit he has the overall shape of an athlete half his age. Only thing that reveals his age is his facial features.

denied...

Your contention is that there is no relation between heavy long-term steroid use and heart disease/weakened heart valves?

Does steroids even matter in this case? Tons of people die of heart attacks well before 58 that have no steroid use whatsoever. You guys are morons.

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Anyone that's studied steroids knows that long-term studies are lacking due to their status as an illegal drug, causal effects are murky when examined over prolonged durations for that reason combined with poor controls, and the "heart disease" risk isn't some mystical concept - it's an increased cholesterol level that contributes to plaque build up in arteries. It's not something particularly related to increased androgens in the blood stream that does damage, it's something that can be brought under control much like typical cholesterol levels are brought under control by normal individuals. Let's cut through the shit - steroids are synthetic testosterone, and have very much the same physical effects as testosterone, only posing significant health risks at supraphysiological dosages. This knowledge forms the basis of HRT, by the way, which doctors administer by calculating the dosage necessary to maintain a physiological level of testosterone.

And the "weakened heart valves" line is bullshit - cardio hypertrophy occurs regularly in athletes (hint: people using steroids aren't doing it to sit on the couch), and can result in death for any individual that has an enlarged heart as a result. See: the multiple high school athletes that have died as a result of this phenomena.

Also, for shits and giggles I googled it just to see where your hilariously specific mention came from: protip - know what you're talking about thoroughly before using google. Hint: the study placed no control on the dosages of long term users, and therefore the likelihood supraphysiological dosages were administered is more likely, in addition to not examining the cardio training done by said "weight lifters". Studies are shit without effective controls.

It's Lyle Alzado all over again - people choosing to blame steroids for the death, when cocaine, something we know for a fact leads to heart attacks and causes permanent heart damage regardless of dosage, is the more likely culprit. In Lyle Alzado's case it was the concussions brought about playing in the NFL that led to brain cancer, not the steroids.

Same shit. Same misattributed cause.

Eityher way, the steroid arguement is moot. You do them knowing the consequences, its that simple.

Pot will give you lung cancer. So will cigs. Alcohol will destroy all your organs, especially your liver. Coke will destroy your heart, so will methamphetamine's.

But then, people who are perfectly clean suffer the same fates. Dont live for tomorrow, it isnt guaranteed.

No, it fucking won't. That's simply a fucking lie, and you need to stop repeating it. Where the fuck do you get your info? Show your work, motherfucker.

From the largest study to date (1997 UCLA), I give you these three groups in their lung cancer ranking:

1) Cigarette smokers
2) Non-smokers
3) Heavy pot smokers

Now stop fucking making shit up, please.

^ Heavy pot smokers having less cancer than non-smokers? I am calling bs. Yeah, I know the claim that pot acts as an "expectorant", but please......if you're a "heavy" smoker of ANYTHING, you're going to cause some damage. Besides, why even smoke it when there are safer ways of using it?

Dude, it was all over the news. I posted links. It's the largest study ever done. The heavy pot smokers were the least likely to develop lung cancer.

If that fucks with your reality too much, you probably want to ignore the statistic that chronic alcohol drinkers outlive non-drinkers also.

:shrug:

Define "chronic".

And how did they control the different groups to make sure they led the same type of lifestyle? (i.e. diet, exercise, sleep, etc.)

The stickiest of the icky.

Google motherfucker, do I look like Louis?

Great post, thank you..well execpt for the part about me Googling stuff, which I didn't. Weakened heart valves are a commonly used example people use to not use steroids. I'm a pro-steroids kind of guy personally, its just so expensive to do right.

Surprisingly it doesn't. In the largest study of its kind over a period of 25 years people who smoke marijuana on a regular basis had less lung cancer than a control group of cigarette smokers and people who don't smoke anything. Cannabis' anti-cancer properties seem to have something to do with it. However, people who smoke marijuana and cigarettes show a significantly higher rate of emphysema than those who smoke cigarettes alone.

This is great, everybody arguing over the misinformation about their drug of choice.:lol:

Blaming Savage's death on any one thing is pretty likely to be hopeless. The lifestyles of professional wrestlers tend to lead to early deaths. I can't think of another "sport" where chronic steroid abuse, chronic alcohol abuse, chronic recreational drug abuse, and chronic prescription drug abuse are all present, if not encouraged. We can factor in the constant abuse their bodies take and injuries that aren't given time to heal as well. All this has lead to a lot of deaths at relatively young ages. Macho Man made it to his late 50s which is actually pretty good. There are a ton of pro wrestlers who have died in their 30s and 40s.

I have to say I'm with Apoc though, he made his choice and I'm not about to start shedding tears over it.

Of course. You can turn up the wick, but it burns out sooner. I doubt any of the people in that particular part of show business aren't keenly aware of the inherent risks of their occupation.

Liz is dead, Luger is a new born christian.

Now it's your turn to "show your work."

Everything that I have found on that study says that MJ does not increase the odds of lung cancer but I have seen nothing from that study showing it decrease the odds.

In fact, according to what i have read on that same study:

what killed savage was OAK not coke

just saw this on yahoo and thought it was interesting.

http://sports.yahoo.com/blogs/post/O...?urn=top-wp132

Interesting, but it says exactly what I surmised; these people paid a price for their line of work, but I'd say probably they knew the risks (or should have).

back then they may not have known as much plus there were the rumors of vince mcmahon supplying the stuff for them. With wrestlings popularity now the big name guys have a prety greuling schedule with all the matches and traveling. I wouldnt be surprised if many of them are on pain killers and seeing the physiques of some of them, yo uknow theyre using some sort of suppliments ;)

Look, people still mine coal.

Certain gigs have a risk...

yeah but now theyre stars on TV :lol:

Die young and leave a good looking corpse.

I love how they threw the anabolic steriods at the end of the "causes of death list".

gotta work it in somewhere :lol:

Guy made it ot 58 so I would say he had a good run.

Exactly.

Not to mention, if not for the subsequent car accident, he may have lived another 10+ years, as it is what really killed him. Though its also possible the heart attack could have been fatal as well, but obviously we'll never know.

Did they announce an exact cause of death in his case? could be one of those thing that could not be determined if it was the heart attack or the accident.

Pretty much, from what I understand, nobody knows for sure, as the way i've read it the injuries sustained from hitting the tree head on were enough to kill him.