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RACER X 07-12-2012 08:08 AM

"stand your ground" doesn't work
 
Coleman points to a recent study by Texas A&M University which concludes that in the 24 states with self-protection laws, including Texas, homicide rates have increased 8 percent on average.

That research by the University's Department of Economic is also concluded "stand your ground" type laws have had no deterrent effect on burglary, robbery and aggravated assault.

http://www.click2houston.com/news/La...p/-/index.html


actual research paper:

http://www.click2houston.com/blob/vi...ctrine-pdf.pdf

jtemple 07-12-2012 09:50 AM

Shooting someone in self defense is still labeled "homicide".

I bet if you remove those cases from the results, the numbers go down.

Just about any statistical analysis I have read about is full of smoke & mirrors in an effort to push the writers' agenda. Very rarely do I see something that is truly objective and thorough.

CasterTroy 07-12-2012 12:17 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by jtemple (Post 515803)
Very rarely do I see something that is truly objective and thorough.

WERD!!!

However I did get a good dose of non-bias media when it came to US news and happenings from the BBC when I was over in the UK.

That was refreshing.

No Spins, no dick sucking a party or political figure, just straight poop.

nhgunnut 07-12-2012 02:17 PM

Honestly Whether it is a Deterrent is irrelevant, "Stand Your Ground" is About Defense not Deterrent. If you use deadly force to defend yourself your family or anyone else you don't need the weight of the criminal legal system falling on me. It is bad enough that lives will be changed for ever, that regardless of the legitimacy of the action, civil actions and media lynch mob are likely to persecute you and your family.

Captain Morgan 07-12-2012 04:44 PM

I did a research paper in college about the death penalty that basically found the same thing. Pickpockets would be sentenced to death by hanging. However, at the hanging of said pickpocket, all of his buddies would be in the crowd picking pockets.

Adeptus_Minor 07-13-2012 01:07 AM

Well, maybe it doesn't stop others, but it stops the one in question :wink:

"Death Therapy, Bob. It's a guaranteed cure. "

fatbuckRTO 07-13-2012 01:03 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Adeptus_Minor (Post 515879)
Well, maybe it doesn't stop others, but it stops the one in question :wink:

Exactly. Same argument as the death penalty, for me. I don't give one solid crap about mass deterrence. I want the individual committing the crime, or who has committed the crime, to be stopped.

And I don't want to face a jury's decision for defending my family. Juries are stupid. They are my peers, after all...



ETA: I mean, well, pretty much what nhgunnut said...

Gas Man 07-15-2012 04:04 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by jtemple (Post 515803)
Shooting someone in self defense is still labeled "homicide".

I bet if you remove those cases from the results, the numbers go down.

Just about any statistical analysis I have read about is full of smoke & mirrors in an effort to push the writers' agenda. Very rarely do I see something that is truly objective and thorough.

Exactly. The study is scewed to support the author's premise.

Quote:

Originally Posted by nhgunnut (Post 515831)
Honestly Whether it is a Deterrent is irrelevant, "Stand Your Ground" is About Defense not Deterrent. If you use deadly force to defend yourself your family or anyone else you don't need the weight of the criminal legal system falling on me. It is bad enough that lives will be changed for ever, that regardless of the legitimacy of the action, civil actions and media lynch mob are likely to persecute you and your family.

Great Post!! AMEN!! Law on my side or not, I will stand my ground. It's that simple. This land was built on such prinicpals.

jtemple 07-15-2012 05:57 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Gas Man (Post 515976)
Grseat Post!! AMEN!! Law on my side or not, I will stand my ground. It's that simple. This land was built on such prinicpals.

I'd rather be judged by 12 than carried by 6.

Captain Morgan 07-16-2012 05:24 AM

Did you know there is a correlation between ice cream sales and drownings? As ice cream sales have increased, so have drownings. Therefore, we must ban ice cream.


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