2001 Suzuki TL1000R vs. 2002 Honda CBR 954RR... another biased comparison.

tlstreak · 11-23-2008, 05:10 PM

I had a fully moded TLS, although comfy for all day. And I loved this bike. Mt current 929 in stock form whips its ass in every aspect. Roll on 929 will walk away from the twin. Stock suspension is almost better than the ohlins rear and upgraded front end on the TL. I had lighter rims for the tl and it still felt like a sled tipped over and the 929 just flicks back and forth.

I think you have a case of I love my bike.

Current ride
bone stock 929

previous twin
sv650 with cam swap, jetted, exhaust, braided line, upgrade front forks, 636 rear shock. Felt like a POS. Didnt own it a year.

Tl1000s bought new in 99
PC2
Full Ti Yosh exhaust
OZ rims
Forks with .90 springs gold valve and preload built by Pro shop
Ohlins rear shock
Harris rearsets
Braided line
EBC pro lite rotors
Sharkinz street kit
Scott Steering damper
Par Mod
Reworked wiring harness
Custom sprocket covers
Carbon screen
regeared for mountains
and probably a bunch of shit ive forgotten

Ran great, loved it to death. Was a great bike for years.

stock 929 will out run it , out perform it period. Just not as comfortable.

Dnyce · 11-23-2008, 05:16 PM

isnt the tls alot dif than the tlr? 929 maybe same as 954, idk.

but he did say biased review lol

tlstreak · 11-23-2008, 05:25 PM

There not too mush difference in the 2 bikes. The engines will swap out from one to the other. R has a little better FI system. S is the lighter of the 2. R came with heavier springs in the front and a hydrolic clutch. Most switch the clutch for the S. S and R both have alot of the same internal pieces. Same clutch although earilier S did have a slightly different clutch. Clutch is a first style slipper type clutch. Works best with a set of barnett springs in it.

Both bikes need help in the FI system, either a yosh box mapping or a PC with a custom map. Rear shocks on both need to be tossed for upgrades. Wheels are bricks. A nice lighter wheel up front makes a world of difference. Wiring is too be desired. The 30 amp starter relay is an issue. It needs to be removed and upgraded or made into a solid device inside the wiring harness. Once done is bullet proof. Removing the entire wiring harness and cutting the factory crimps and soldering the entire thing will greatly improve spark and spark plug life.

I could go on for a very very long time along with a few other members on this board that I know where long time owners and heavy modders of the models.

All in all between the R and S, it mostly boiled down to who put the more tme into it.

OneSickPsycho · 11-23-2008, 05:35 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by tlstreak

There not too mush difference in the 2 bikes. The engines will swap out from one to the other. R has a little better FI system. S is the lighter of the 2. R came with heavier springs in the front and a hydrolic clutch. Most switch the clutch for the S. S and R both have alot of the same internal pieces. Same clutch although earilier S did have a slightly different clutch. Clutch is a first style slipper type clutch. Works best with a set of barnett springs in it.

Both bikes need help in the FI system, either a yosh box mapping or a PC with a custom map. Rear shocks on both need to be tossed for upgrades. Wheels are bricks. A nice lighter wheel up front makes a world of difference. Wiring is too be desired. The 30 amp starter relay is an issue. It needs to be removed and upgraded or made into a solid device inside the wiring harness. Once done is bullet proof. Removing the entire wiring harness and cutting the factory crimps and soldering the entire thing will greatly improve spark and spark plug life.

I could go on for a very very long time along with a few other members on this board that I know where long time owners and heavy modders of the models.

All in all between the R and S, it mostly boiled down to who put the more tme into it.

All that and you miss the biggest difference of them all... TLR and TLS have totally different chassis... Part of the reason the TLS was dubbed 'the widowmaker' was because of it's poorly designed chassis, which amoungst other things caused the bike to be unstable (and crack frames).

tlstreak · 11-23-2008, 05:46 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by OneSickPsycho

All that and you miss the biggest difference of them all... TLR and TLS have totally different chassis... Part of the reason the TLS was dubbed 'the widowmaker' was because of it's poorly designed chassis, which amoungst other things caused the bike to be unstable (and crack frames).

Switch the shock and the crack in the frame is gone,which wasnt the "widow maker" dub from the begining. Which is only to the 97/98 model that had the differnt ECU which is the more sought after , but didnt have the factory stabilizer on the steering. That they all have now.

The S actually won a race, the R never did.

Mr Lefty · 11-23-2008, 05:20 PM

what's the difference between the TLS and the TLR?

and he's said it was a bias comparison... he just likes the V-Twin. he's not saying the TLR out performs the 954... just that he prefers it.

Dnyce · 11-23-2008, 05:28 PM

01 tlr
TL 1000 R 2001
Overall Length: 2 100 mm (82.6 in)
Overall Width: 740 mm (29.1 in)
Overall Height: 1 120 mm (44.0 in)
Seat Height: 825 mm (32.5 in)
Wheelbase: 1 395 mm (54.9 in)
Ground Clearance: 120 mm (4.7 in)
Dry Weight: 197 kg (434 lbs)
Engine type: Water-cooled 996 cc 4-stroke 90° V-twin, DOHC, TSCC, 8 valves. 135 hp (99,3 kW)/ 9.500 rpm, 106 Nm/ 7.500 rpm.

99tls
Overall Length: 2,065 mm (81.3 in)
Overall Width: 715 mm (28.1 in)
Overall Height: 1,175 mm (46.3 in)
Seat Height: 835 mm (32.9 in)
Wheelbase: 1,415 mm (55.7 in)
Ground Clearance: 140 mm (5.5 in)
Dry Weight: 187 kg (411 lbs)
Engine type: Water-cooled 996 cc 4-stroke 90° V-twin, DOHC, TSCC, 8 valves. 125 hp (92 kW)/ 8,500 rpm, 107.4 Nm/ 7,100 rpm.

dif frame, dif swingarm, thats just the visible stuff, so looking at this, i would assume they ride like two diff bikes, even tho alotta parts are compatible

OneSickPsycho · 11-23-2008, 05:36 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Ebbs15

what's the difference between the TLS and the TLR?

and he's said it was a bias comparison... he just likes the V-Twin. he's not saying the TLR out performs the 954... just that he prefers it.

Thank you.

11-23-2008, 05:16 PM	#2
Dnyce flyin high Join Date: Mar 2008 Location: cali Moto: 10speed huffy w/cards in the spokes Posts: 2,318	isnt the tls alot dif than the tlr? 929 maybe same as 954, idk. but he did say biased review lol __________________ "Racing Is Life, Everything Before and After is Just Waiting" Steve McQueen

11-23-2008, 05:28 PM	#7
Dnyce flyin high Join Date: Mar 2008 Location: cali Moto: 10speed huffy w/cards in the spokes Posts: 2,318	01 tlr TL 1000 R 2001 Overall Length: 2 100 mm (82.6 in) Overall Width: 740 mm (29.1 in) Overall Height: 1 120 mm (44.0 in) Seat Height: 825 mm (32.5 in) Wheelbase: 1 395 mm (54.9 in) Ground Clearance: 120 mm (4.7 in) Dry Weight: 197 kg (434 lbs) Engine type: Water-cooled 996 cc 4-stroke 90° V-twin, DOHC, TSCC, 8 valves. 135 hp (99,3 kW)/ 9.500 rpm, 106 Nm/ 7.500 rpm. 99tls Overall Length: 2,065 mm (81.3 in) Overall Width: 715 mm (28.1 in) Overall Height: 1,175 mm (46.3 in) Seat Height: 835 mm (32.9 in) Wheelbase: 1,415 mm (55.7 in) Ground Clearance: 140 mm (5.5 in) Dry Weight: 187 kg (411 lbs) Engine type: Water-cooled 996 cc 4-stroke 90° V-twin, DOHC, TSCC, 8 valves. 125 hp (92 kW)/ 8,500 rpm, 107.4 Nm/ 7,100 rpm. dif frame, dif swingarm, thats just the visible stuff, so looking at this, i would assume they ride like two diff bikes, even tho alotta parts are compatible __________________ "Racing Is Life, Everything Before and After is Just Waiting" Steve McQueen Last edited by Dnyce; 11-23-2008 at 05:31 PM..

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11-23-2008, 05:10 PM	#1
tlstreak As Seen On TV Join Date: Nov 2008 Location: NE TN Moto: 01 929 Posts: 54	I had a fully moded TLS, although comfy for all day. And I loved this bike. Mt current 929 in stock form whips its ass in every aspect. Roll on 929 will walk away from the twin. Stock suspension is almost better than the ohlins rear and upgraded front end on the TL. I had lighter rims for the tl and it still felt like a sled tipped over and the 929 just flicks back and forth. I think you have a case of I love my bike. Current ride bone stock 929 previous twin sv650 with cam swap, jetted, exhaust, braided line, upgrade front forks, 636 rear shock. Felt like a POS. Didnt own it a year. Tl1000s bought new in 99 PC2 Full Ti Yosh exhaust OZ rims Forks with .90 springs gold valve and preload built by Pro shop Ohlins rear shock Harris rearsets Braided line EBC pro lite rotors Sharkinz street kit Scott Steering damper Par Mod Reworked wiring harness Custom sprocket covers Carbon screen regeared for mountains and probably a bunch of shit ive forgotten Ran great, loved it to death. Was a great bike for years. stock 929 will out run it , out perform it period. Just not as comfortable.

11-23-2008, 05:25 PM	#3
tlstreak As Seen On TV Join Date: Nov 2008 Location: NE TN Moto: 01 929 Posts: 54	There not too mush difference in the 2 bikes. The engines will swap out from one to the other. R has a little better FI system. S is the lighter of the 2. R came with heavier springs in the front and a hydrolic clutch. Most switch the clutch for the S. S and R both have alot of the same internal pieces. Same clutch although earilier S did have a slightly different clutch. Clutch is a first style slipper type clutch. Works best with a set of barnett springs in it. Both bikes need help in the FI system, either a yosh box mapping or a PC with a custom map. Rear shocks on both need to be tossed for upgrades. Wheels are bricks. A nice lighter wheel up front makes a world of difference. Wiring is too be desired. The 30 amp starter relay is an issue. It needs to be removed and upgraded or made into a solid device inside the wiring harness. Once done is bullet proof. Removing the entire wiring harness and cutting the factory crimps and soldering the entire thing will greatly improve spark and spark plug life. I could go on for a very very long time along with a few other members on this board that I know where long time owners and heavy modders of the models. All in all between the R and S, it mostly boiled down to who put the more tme into it.

11-23-2008, 05:20 PM	#6
Mr Lefty TWFix Legend Join Date: Feb 2008 Location: Denver CO Moto: 01 BMW F650GS Dakar Posts: 15,677	what's the difference between the TLS and the TLR? and he's said it was a bias comparison... he just likes the V-Twin. he's not saying the TLR out performs the 954... just that he prefers it.