Wheelying out of corners...

[dreaded]

Originally Posted by fasternyou929

What kind of notes you looking for? I suspect you're not looking for advice to keep the front wheel on the ground.

Just other peoples experiences really...

I've been thinking about trying some various methods to experiment with it. There's always a good story when it comes to technique. I am sure someone has tried tapping the rear brake in that state, what does it do? I plan to try rolling on a little harder, turning it over a bit more while "airborne," and as noted previously, the next step is to get the rear spinning while the front is up...

hahahaha, just kidding, sorta...

[fasternyou929]

Originally Posted by dreaded

Just other peoples experiences really...

I've been thinking about trying some various methods to experiment with it. There's always a good story when it comes to technique. I am sure someone has tried tapping the rear brake in that state, what does it do? I plan to try rolling on a little harder, turning it over a bit more while "airborne," and as noted previously, the next step is to get the rear spinning while the front is up...

hahahaha, just kidding, sorta...

Ahh, you're looking for suggestions on how to high-side.

Just kidding. Sorta.

[HurricaneHeather]

Originally Posted by fasternyou929

Ahh, you're looking for suggestions on how to high-side.

Just kidding. Sorta.

[No Worries]

I've slid the rear tire, but my long-wheelbase bikes aren't wheelie prone.

FYI, here's what Lee Parks says about coming out of curves in his Throttle Control chapter: "The faster you roll off (the throttle), the faster and harder the bike will pitch forward, which can cause all kinds of handling problems if done at an inopportune time. The same can be said for quickly releasing the brakes, which has the same effect as quickly applying the throttle. Combining the last two actions, as many novice sport riders tend to do, makes the bike extremely unstable and wheelie prone. The fix for this is to have a transition period where you are doing both actions simultaneously."

[fasternyou929]

Originally Posted by No Worries

I've slid the rear tire, but my long-wheelbase bikes aren't wheelie prone.

FYI, here's what Lee Parks says about coming out of curves in his Throttle Control chapter: "The faster you roll off (the throttle), the faster and harder the bike will pitch forward, which can cause all kinds of handling problems if done at an inopportune time. The same can be said for quickly releasing the brakes, which has the same effect as quickly applying the throttle. Combining the last two actions, as many novice sport riders tend to do, makes the bike extremely unstable and wheelie prone. The fix for this is to have a transition period where you are doing both actions simultaneously."

I've read that a few times and it makes no sense. "Combining the last two actions (rolling off the throttle and quickly releasing the brakes), as many novice sport riders tend to do, makes the bike extremely unstable and wheelie prone."

Who are these novice riders that come into turn 1 full throttle, front binders glowing red, chop them both at the same time, and wheelie out into the grass?

Agree smoothness is all important, but either there's a copy/paste error from the book or someone skipped proofreading and went straight to publishing.

[smileyman]

Body position will help...I see alot of guys sit up and remain up until they are coming outta the corner making for a light front tire. Some shift there body back and upright while coming off their knee. Personally wheelies take up time at the track so I only do them foolin around. Otherwise I am tucked on the tank and forward to prevent it.

[anthonyk]

Originally Posted by fasternyou929

I've read that a few times and it makes no sense. "Combining the last two actions (rolling off the throttle and quickly releasing the brakes), as many novice sport riders tend to do, makes the bike extremely unstable and wheelie prone."

Who are these novice riders that come into turn 1 full throttle, front binders glowing red, chop them both at the same time, and wheelie out into the grass?

Agree smoothness is all important, but either there's a copy/paste error from the book or someone skipped proofreading and went straight to publishing.

I took his class, too, and that whole section made no sense (as presented). The riding exercise was valuable for practicing smooth throttle/braking combinations, but I didn't get the logic of the presentation at all.

And for what it's worth, my bike wheelies out of corners pretty much at will. It's tons of fun to just keep the front skimming along while you straighten up.

[No Worries]

Originally Posted by fasternyou929

I've read that a few times and it makes no sense. "Combining the last two actions (rolling off the throttle and quickly releasing the brakes), as many novice sport riders tend to do, makes the bike extremely unstable and wheelie prone."

Who are these novice riders that come into turn 1 full throttle, front binders glowing red, chop them both at the same time, and wheelie out into the grass?

Agree smoothness is all important, but either there's a copy/paste error from the book or someone skipped proofreading and went straight to publishing.

Originally Posted by anthonyk

I took his class, too, and that whole section made no sense (as presented). The riding exercise was valuable for practicing smooth throttle/braking combinations, but I didn't get the logic of the presentation at all.

And for what it's worth, my bike wheelies out of corners pretty much at will. It's tons of fun to just keep the front skimming along while you straighten up.

Sorry, but I'm a lazy typist and didn't want to type the whole chapter. Parks was stating how the throttle controls the suspension. The front squats when you apply the brakes and you would think the rear squats when you apply the throttle. But the rear rises due to the torque reaction of the rear wheel. Being on the throttle in the corner helps keep the bike in the middle of the suspension, which keeps the chassis stable. A steady increase of throttle keeps the suspension in this sweet spot. A fast application can cause problems.

Parks says to practice rolling off the throttle painfully slow so the suspension barely moves. When you have that down, then practice rolling off the throttle and rolling on the brakes. Which sounds weird, but it keeps the bike from pitching forward and backward. Freddie Spencer teaches this and he won three world championships.

[TommyHotWheel]

Originally Posted by dreaded

Just other peoples experiences really...

I've been thinking about trying some various methods to experiment with it. There's always a good story when it comes to technique. I am sure someone has tried tapping the rear brake in that state, what does it do? I plan to try rolling on a little harder, turning it over a bit more while "airborne," and as noted previously, the next step is to get the rear spinning while the front is up...

hahahaha, just kidding, sorta...

Best technique...buy a sportbike with a big twin!

[Archren]

Originally Posted by TommyHotWheel

Best technique...buy a sportbike with a big twin!