wow. local MSF inst. trying to pawn off zx-12r to a new rider

[OneSickPsycho]

Originally Posted by TIGGER

Here's the thing OSP,it's MY PERSONAL contention that most of the bad riders that start on 600s would have still been bad riders if they started on a 250 or 500. I think that some people are just fucking shitty riders,period!

That's some damn good logic yo, the only problem is I've never run into that. Everyone who I've rode with that started on a smaller bike was a competent, and more importantly, safe rider.

[Amber Lamps]

Originally Posted by OneSickPsycho

That's some damn good logic yo, the only problem is I've never run into that. Everyone who I've rode with that started on a smaller bike was a competent, and more importantly, safe rider.

Well maybe the headlong rush into a larger bike tends to draw a certain type of personality...idk but to be honest, in all of my years of riding,I have only ridden with 3 people on 250s and two of those people were girls. The truth is that people on motorcycle forums only comprise a small percentage of actual riders. Any dealership will tell you that 600s sell 10+-1 against 250s,I don't believe that most of those guys wreck BECAUSE they are on a 600 vs a 250. I have seen too many single vehicle accidents and they have almost always involved panic as the main cause...too much brake or over correction.

[OneSickPsycho]

Originally Posted by TIGGER

Well maybe the headlong rush into a larger bike tends to draw a certain type of personality...idk but to be honest, in all of my years of riding,I have only ridden with 3 people on 250s and two of those people were girls. The truth is that people on motorcycle forums only comprise a small percentage of actual riders. Any dealership will tell you that 600s sell 10+-1 against 250s,I don't believe that most of those guys wreck BECAUSE they are on a 600 vs a 250. I have seen too many single vehicle accidents and they have almost always involved panic as the main cause...too much brake or over correction.

Like a drunk fat guy on a mini-bike in a parking lot...

[Amber Lamps]

Originally Posted by OneSickPsycho

Like a drunk fat guy on a mini-bike in a parking lot...

Hahahahaha! Yea,um how are you feeling anyway?

[OneSickPsycho]

Originally Posted by TIGGER

Hahahahaha! Yea,um how are you feeling anyway?

Better... I cannot flex my quad at all, but otherwise I'm good... Only taking pain meds at night when I get on my machine (bends my leg all night).

[Mr Lefty]

Originally Posted by OneSickPsycho

That's some damn good logic yo, the only problem is I've never run into that. Everyone who I've rode with that started on a smaller bike was a competent, and more importantly, safe rider.

this makes me wonder if it was because they started on a small bike... or if it was more because of the type of person they are... starting with a 250 usually means they didn't give into the "it's not cool" pressure... so they're of a more mature mindset...

know what I mean?

[Amber Lamps]

Originally Posted by ebbs15

this makes me wonder if it was because they started on a small bike... or if it was more because of the type of person they are... starting with a 250 usually means they didn't give into the "it's not cool" pressure... so they're of a more mature mindset...

know what I mean?

I can see that,but it also depends on what you believe to be a "good rider". When I was younger,a good rider was someone who could run 35 mph curves at 100 with me. For a while it was guys that could run Grattan within 20 secs of race pace. Heck,it was even guys that could do wheelies at 100 mph on the freeway with me for a while. Now I'd settle for about 3 guys who could go for a ride at a moderately fast pace and not crash...

[Mr Lefty]

Originally Posted by TIGGER

I can see that,but it also depends on what you believe to be a "good rider". When I was younger,a good rider was someone who could run 35 mph curves at 100 with me. For a while it was guys that could run Grattan within 20 secs of race pace. Heck,it was even guys that could do wheelies at 100 mph on the freeway with me for a while. Now I'd settle for about 3 guys who could go for a ride at a moderately fast pace and not crash...

mine is more of someone who's in controll and weighs each risk to themselves and THOSE AROUND THEM while riding...

I could care less, if you could ride fast... if I'm riding with ya, I'll ride WITH ya (unless you leave me ) I'll save riding "fast" for myself.

[Amber Lamps]

Originally Posted by ebbs15

mine is more of someone who's in controll and weighs each risk to themselves and THOSE AROUND THEM while riding...

I could care less, if you could ride fast... if I'm riding with ya, I'll ride WITH ya (unless you leave me ) I'll save riding "fast" for myself.

I'm sorry,yea I'd hoped that my statements "implied" while not crashing around or into me....

[Mr Lefty]

Originally Posted by TIGGER

I'm sorry,yea I'd hoped that my statements "implied" while not crashing around or into me....

naw I got that... I was more talk'n about riding fast... speed means nothing to me really when I talk about a good rider...

same with a good driver.