CA wants to smog check motorcycles

[pdog]

Nice work! I wonder if the numbers quoted in the article are based on raw data from another set. Either way, good detective work.

[azoomm]

Originally Posted by pdog

Nice work! I wonder if the numbers quoted in the article are based on raw data from another set. Either way, good detective work.

They ARE based on those numbers. But, spun so they serve the purpose of panic. Welcome to media.

That doesn't mean CC aren't needed - it means they are a SMALL, itty bitty, tiny set of the problem that should be addressed. But, because we are the re-headed step children of the motor world - and non-motorcyclist that ARE the majority already see us as a problem - they can't save us from ourselves, so they need to save themselves from us.

I'm really tired of it.

Can't tell, can you?

[pdog]

Zoomie, it's really easy to fall into the "us vs them" trap. You can either believe a conspiracy or you can believe you don't have all the facts. I almost always choose the latter as it's more in line with Occam's Razor: “The simplest explanation for a phenomenon is most likely the correct explanation."

I'm sure your numbers are right - but they don't tell the whole story. Specifically my guess is they are estimates based on pollution numbers from the factories based on stock machines i.e. motorcycles are not a big problem when they have all the CC and pollution equipment installed. In other words, IMO the numbers you quote don't show the current state but the best case state. Seen in that light, the numbers quoted in the article no longer seem like panic/FUD/bias/wrong to me.

Originally Posted by azoomm

They ARE based on those numbers. But, spun so they serve the purpose of panic. Welcome to media.

That doesn't mean CC aren't needed - it means they are a SMALL, itty bitty, tiny set of the problem that should be addressed. But, because we are the re-headed step children of the motor world - and non-motorcyclist that ARE the majority already see us as a problem - they can't save us from ourselves, so they need to save themselves from us.

I'm really tired of it.

Can't tell, can you?

[azoomm]

Originally Posted by pdog

Zoomie, it's really easy to fall into the "us vs them" trap. You can either believe a conspiracy or you can believe you don't have all the facts. I almost always choose the latter as it's more in line with Occam's Razor: “The simplest explanation for a phenomenon is most likely the correct explanation."

I'm sure your numbers are right - but they don't tell the whole story. Specifically my guess is they are estimates based on pollution numbers from the factories based on stock machines i.e. motorcycles are not a big problem when they have all the CC and pollution equipment installed. In other words, IMO the numbers you quote don't show the current state but the best case state. Seen in that light, the numbers quoted in the article no longer seem like panic/FUD/bias/wrong to me.

Mike. The point I'm trying to make - those numbers are THEIR numbers, not mine. I pulled those from the site of the agency the LA Times was quoting. So, if there are numbers - they are THEIRS.

Do you SEE the frustration.

So, you say I'm wrong and they are right?? Wait... but, it's THEIR numbers and their quotes that I'm looking at. So, they are wrong - but the media is right? Fuck... who's right?

Who's on first?

[pdog]

Lies, damn lies and statistics.

Let's wrap up this discussion: Kids, be nice and keep the CC on your bike if possible, mmmkay?

[neebelung]

Originally Posted by pdog

Let's wrap up this discussion: Kids, be nice and keep the CC on your bike if possible, mmmkay?

Just cus you play the holier-than-thou card doesn't mean the rest of us aren't "being nice." If we're too much for ya, I'm sure lifetimetv.com has kinder gentler forums for ya.

[zed]

did I miss something? looks like the bars for the motorcycle are shorter than all but 4 of the classes.

[azoomm]

Originally Posted by pdog

Lies, damn lies and statistics.

Let's wrap up this discussion: Kids, be nice and keep the CC on your bike if possible, mmmkay?

Awesome. So, we can move back to the other topic then about you not breeding?

Next time, if you're going to preach to me - you best read the actual numbers you're going to spout.

[pdog]

I believe your graph is wrong, I've already explained why. Sounds like you are getting just as holy-as-thou. Pot, meet kettle.

Originally Posted by azoomm

Next time, if you're going to preach to me - you best read the actual numbers you're going to spout.

[KSGregman]

Originally Posted by pdog

Lies, damn lies and statistics.

Let's wrap up this discussion: Kids, be nice and keep the CC on your bike if possible, mmmkay?

I'll keep the CC on my bike if/when you get rid of your bike without one...

Deal?