Any ladies here willing to admit????

[the chi]

Originally Posted by TIGGER

Hmmm... maybe, but one of the youngest guys (at the time) won 3 AMA championships in a row and one of the oldest guys has won almost all the rest in the past 10 years...

I certainly have a "no way I'm going to wreck by myself" attitude but in my defense, in 30 years of riding I've only had one crash by myself and I was doped up at the time... hell, I haven't had an "at fault" accident of any kind since I was a teenager.

I honestly see what you girls are saying, I just don't like the way it limits women believe it or not. I don't know but I still want to believe that it's similar as to why there aren't many black racers. I still think that it's because people aren't out buying their daughters pocket bikes or XR50s when they're 3 or 4 years old, like they do boys. I'd like to think that if your parents had bought you a pocket bike and took you to the races when you were 3, that you could be kicking ass in the AMA right now, seriously.

Thats most likely very true Tigger. If our parents had gotten us into racing, etc when we were younger and never told us how unsafe and dangerous it was, we probably would be out kicking ass. Unfortunately, no matter how much of a tom boy we may have been, elders will forever be telling us "dont do that, be careful, its dangerous", and perhaps since lil girls listen more than lil boys we let ourselves be brainwashed. Knowing what I do of myself, and the way my mom raised me, she told me I could always do whatever I wanted as long as I set my mind to it, but climbing trees is dangerous, driving fast cars is dangerous, and riding motorcycles is suicide. So even tho I did and do all these things, I think about the things I was told and remember that I can seriously damage myself.

Look at the lil girls out doing motocross at 3 and 4 years old. Till they take their helmets off, you dont know they are girls, and they are out there tearing it up just as much as the boys. I would hope that we see them on the podium one day with the boys as well!

[Amber Lamps]

Originally Posted by The Chi

Thats most likely very true Tigger. If our parents had gotten us into racing, etc when we were younger and never told us how unsafe and dangerous it was, we probably would be out kicking ass. Unfortunately, no matter how much of a tom boy we may have been, elders will forever be telling us "dont do that, be careful, its dangerous", and perhaps since lil girls listen more than lil boys we let ourselves be brainwashed. Knowing what I do of myself, and the way my mom raised me, she told me I could always do whatever I wanted as long as I set my mind to it, but climbing trees is dangerous, driving fast cars is dangerous, and riding motorcycles is suicide. So even tho I did and do all these things, I think about the things I was told and remember that I can seriously damage myself.

Look at the lil girls out doing motocross at 3 and 4 years old. Till they take their helmets off, you dont know they are girls, and they are out there tearing it up just as much as the boys. I would hope that we see them on the podium one day with the boys as well!

Yayyyy!!! Someone gets what I'm trying to say!!! I really believe that the problem is societal and not biological. Thank you!

[azoomm]

Originally Posted by TIGGER

Yayyyy!!! Someone gets what I'm trying to say!!! I really believe that the problem is societal and not biological. Thank you!

I don't agree.... and it doesn't even have anything to do with the fact that you're tigger.

[Amber Lamps]

Originally Posted by azoomm

I don't agree.... and it doesn't even have anything to do with the fact that you're tigger.

Okay I'll accept that! You're in a position to know. Why can't girls win races but they can cliff dive? I'd like to believe that if you took a 3 year old little girl and a 3 year old little boy, put them on pocket bikes and gave them the same training, the girl could be as fast as the boy. Also, on another note, why aren't there that many black motorcycle racers? Are we biologically incapable of going fast as well?

[azoomm]

Originally Posted by TIGGER

Okay I'll accept that! You're in a position to know. Why can't girls win races but they can cliff dive? I'd like to believe that if you took a 3 year old little girl and a 3 year old little boy, put them on pocket bikes and gave them the same training, the girl could be as fast as the boy. Also, on another note, why aren't there that many black motorcycle racers? Are we biologically incapable of going fast as well?

I think "biological" is a bad term for it...

But, I know plenty of women that started riding dirt when they were wee ones, and they aren't the fastest things out there. Not slow, just seem to have more of a will to live than their male counterparts. I think survival of the species is something to it....

Black riders - no idea. The color of the rider's skin hasn't ever occurred to me as an issue. I'd think sociological in that aspect. You are right in that exposure is a factor.

[Trip]

Originally Posted by azoomm

I think "biological" is a bad term for it...

But, I know plenty of women that started riding dirt when they were wee ones, and they aren't the fastest things out there. Not slow, just seem to have more of a will to live than their male counterparts. I think survival of the species is something to it....

Black riders - no idea. The color of the rider's skin hasn't ever occurred to me as an issue. I'd think sociological in that aspect. You are right in that exposure is a factor.

I agree and I have examples:

My cousin (a girl) and her teammate (a guy) of the same age both started riding on 50s at the same time because their parents are friends. Both progressed into average riders for their region. Both had supportive parents that encouraged instead of demonizing motorcycles. The boy is 10x faster than the girl will ever be. The boy gets 100x less support from sponsors because of the size of the fields he runs with and he is quite below average in a wider region or national level. My cousin is about average in the wider region. She gets a lot of support from sponsors being a girl in the minority, so has a ton more opportunities to ride than the guy.

There is something more to it than when and how you start riding. Be it biological or mental. However I am not suggesting a girl won't do well. There is always people who will break the mold and do what people thought impossible.

[Amber Lamps]

Originally Posted by Trip

I agree and I have examples:

My cousin (a girl) and her teammate (a guy) of the same age both started riding on 50s at the same time because their parents are friends. Both progressed into average riders for their region. Both had supportive parents that encouraged instead of demonizing motorcycles. The boy is 10x faster than the girl will ever be. The boy gets 100x less support from sponsors because of the size of the fields he runs with and he is quite below average in a wider region or national level. My cousin is about average in the wider region. She gets a lot of support from sponsors being a girl in the minority, so has a ton more opportunities to ride than the guy.

There is something more to it than when and how you start riding. Be it biological or mental. However I am not suggesting a girl won't do well. There is always people who will break the mold and do what people thought impossible.

Oh well, then I guess women just can't race and it's appropriate to throw a celebration whenever one is just slightly above average... The funniest thing here is that while I (Tigger the asshole, douche, dick, etc) am standing up for women, all of the "nice/sensitive guys" and the chicks are saying that women will never be as fast as men on the track and can't compete... Okay, where the fuck is that Rod Serling motherfucker hiding?

[Amber Lamps]

Originally Posted by azoomm

I think "biological" is a bad term for it...

But, I know plenty of women that started riding dirt when they were wee ones, and they aren't the fastest things out there. Not slow, just seem to have more of a will to live than their male counterparts. I think survival of the species is something to it....

Black riders - no idea. The color of the rider's skin hasn't ever occurred to me as an issue. I'd think sociological in that aspect. You are right in that exposure is a factor.

Well, I'm not trying to make a racial issue out of this. I was merely pointing out that women aren't the only group that has a hard time being successful on the track.