2010 Hayden edition duc 848

[The Awesome]

Originally Posted by TIGGER

Exactly, how else do you "measure" them? Just because you get on the track doesn't mean you can read the boards better than I can... The results are everything in racing IMHO, everything else is smoke and mirrors.

In all sports, it's important to consider the circumstances when you try to evaluate how good an athlete really is. The stats only tell part of the story. Dan Marino doesn't have a superbowl ring, and Ben Roethlisberger has two. Roethlisberger isn't fit to carry Marino's jock strap, but if you compare the results, Ben has them and Dan does not.

In racing, you have to consider the equipment and team aspects, as well as the competition they face. Everybody wants to be champion when guys like Schumacher and Rossi are out on the track, not after they retire. A lot of the time, great riders can be hindered by inferior equipment. Hopkins is a good example of a rider that did very well with crappy equipment. Hayden is a good example of a guy that has been on the best equipment from the get go, and has a lot of circumstantial factors surrounding his only good season. The stats won't reflect those kinds of things, and that's why you have to look deeper if you want to get the whole picture.

[Trip]

Originally Posted by The Awesome

In all sports, it's important to consider the circumstances when you try to evaluate how good an athlete really is. The stats only tell part of the story. Dan Marino doesn't have a superbowl ring, and Ben Roethlisberger has two. Roethlisberger isn't fit to carry Marino's jock strap, but if you compare the results, Ben has them and Dan does not.

In racing, you have to consider the equipment and team aspects, as well as the competition they face. Everybody wants to be champion when guys like Schumacher and Rossi are out on the track, not after they retire. A lot of the time, great riders can be hindered by inferior equipment. Hopkins is a good example of a rider that did very well with crappy equipment. Hayden is a good example of a guy that has been on the best equipment from the get go, and has a lot of circumstantial factors surrounding his only good season. The stats won't reflect those kinds of things, and that's why you have to look deeper if you want to get the whole picture.

Yeah and according to speed, you aren't qualified to examine if Ben can carry Dan's jock because you haven't played football on a high enough level.

[Amber Lamps]

Originally Posted by Trip

Yeah and according to speed, you aren't qualified to examine if Ben can carry Dan's jock because you haven't played football on a high enough level.

Exactly! Who do you think you are?

[Porkchop]

Originally Posted by TIGGER

Ah what do you know? You don't even own a bike....:lol: Hahahaha! That's my point, EVERYONE watching has a right to an opinion. This guy started this with his, "I race so I should know" attitude. If you televise yourself fucking your woman, even if I was a virgin, I'm allowed to have an opinion on your performance. Besides winning the most races wouldn't be my idea of winning the championship by default...

Really now........ i sold my bike to open my business. Dont result to low blows my friend.

And by default, I mean illogical. Think about it. (This is purely hypothetical) If Vale wins 9 races and DNF's the other 8 races, and Stoner wins 8 races with 9 other podiums, and Vale wins the championship? How rediculous is that. Its that "if your not first your last" mentality. Why would anybody else race??? Honestly?

[Amber Lamps]

Originally Posted by Porkchop

Really now........ i sold my bike to open my business. Dont result to low blows my friend.

And by default, I mean illogical. Think about it. (This is purely hypothetical) If Vale wins 9 races and DNF's the other 8 races, and Stoner wins 8 races with 9 other podiums, and Vale wins the championship? How rediculous is that. Its that "if your not first your last" mentality. Why would anybody else race??? Honestly?

Very ridiculous because it can't happen that way... if Rossi wins 9 races and DNFs the rest, that's 225 points. If Stoner wins 8 races that's 200 points, if he stays in the top thirteen (13th is 3 points 9X3=27) for the other races he'll win the championship. I really don't know what you are talking about. 8 wins and 9 podiums would be a sensational season for any rider! It would be a minimum of 328 points! Shit, it would probably be one of the best seasons ever!

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[tommymac]

Remember ben bostrom won an AMA superbike title and I dont think he won a single race.

Tom

[Amber Lamps]

Originally Posted by tommymac

Remember ben bostrom won an AMA superbike title and I dont think he won a single race.

Tom

Yep, Andrew Pitt won a World Super Sport title without winning a race as well. In a way that's kinda sad...

[Amber Lamps]

Originally Posted by The Awesome

In all sports, it's important to consider the circumstances when you try to evaluate how good an athlete really is. The stats only tell part of the story. Dan Marino doesn't have a superbowl ring, and Ben Roethlisberger has two. Roethlisberger isn't fit to carry Marino's jock strap, but if you compare the results, Ben has them and Dan does not.

In racing, you have to consider the equipment and team aspects, as well as the competition they face. Everybody wants to be champion when guys like Schumacher and Rossi are out on the track, not after they retire. A lot of the time, great riders can be hindered by inferior equipment. Hopkins is a good example of a rider that did very well with crappy equipment. Hayden is a good example of a guy that has been on the best equipment from the get go, and has a lot of circumstantial factors surrounding his only good season. The stats won't reflect those kinds of things, and that's why you have to look deeper if you want to get the whole picture.

Yea but so are Stoner and Rossi... I mean Stoner won his championship his first year with Ducati, his bike was "developed for someone else" wasn't it? Rossi won a championship his first year with Yamaha when everyone said it was impossible.

Statistics will show who has the best rider/bike combination for sure, I honestly believe that Rossi could win on almost any bike on the grid. A champion takes what he is given and finds a way to win! I actually like Hopper but do you mean to imply that he would be champion if only he had a chance on Ducati, Yamaha or Honda? I doubt it. My guess is that he's not very good at developing a bike which keeps him out of the big leagues. I think that's Nicky's problem as well honestly. I mean he was complaining of "lack of drive" out of the corners the other day...are you serious? The Ducati has a "lack of drive"...