Next bike (MOTARD)

Krabill · 08-06-2009, 10:32 AM

I haven't ridden a 610, but I've tried out a couple 690sm's. If I wanted a sumo, I'd get the 690 no question. You won't be wishing for more power, that's for sure, and it handles like a dirt bike.

Sean · 08-06-2009, 10:47 AM

610 is more of a real sumo with real dirt roots, the 690 is more of a street bike. Don't know if it'd be any good offroad. 610s can be had stupid cheap late in the year when shops like Malcom Smith start discounting, I've seen 'em listed for $6100. The 690 is probably more reliable--the 610 has some issues, throttle cable among them. The DRZ is a bulletproof tank but it's pretty slow.

goof2 · 08-06-2009, 12:26 PM

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Originally Posted by Sean

610 is more of a real sumo with real dirt roots, the 690 is more of a street bike. Don't know if it'd be any good offroad. 610s can be had stupid cheap late in the year when shops like Malcom Smith start discounting, I've seen 'em listed for $6100. The 690 is probably more reliable--the 610 has some issues, throttle cable among them. The DRZ is a bulletproof tank but it's pretty slow.

How does the 510 compare for you performance wise? Is the maintenance as bad as I have heard?

Sean · 08-06-2009, 02:22 PM

Compare to what?

The 510 is a MX bike, not a street bike, so you have to treat it as such. The 06+ ones added a little oil capacity and some ignition changes but you still have to change the oil every 8 hrs of operation or so. Compared to other MX bikes and MX-based sumo conversions, it's easier, but compared to a street bike that weighs 200+ lbs more, it's a pain. As a weekend / trackday toy it's no big deal. Changing the oil is a 10 minute job, there are no panels to remove. Once the valves take a set they tend to stay that way. A Husky will last 4-5x as long as a Honda if broken in correctly.

goof2 · 08-06-2009, 02:27 PM

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Originally Posted by Sean

Compare to what?

The 510 is a MX bike, not a street bike, so you have to treat it as such. The 06+ ones added a little oil capacity and some ignition changes but you still have to change the oil every 8 hrs of operation or so. Compared to other MX bikes and MX-based sumo conversions, it's easier, but compared to a street bike that weighs 200+ lbs more, it's a pain. As a weekend / trackday toy it's no big deal. Changing the oil is a 10 minute job, there are no panels to remove. Once the valves take a set they tend to stay that way. A Husky will last 4-5x as long as a Honda if broken in correctly.

Concerning performance I was talking about compared to the 610 or 690, the more street oriented sumos. I have read that the MX based bikes are a night and day difference compared to the street biased bikes.

The information you gave about maintenance is exactly what I was looking for. Thanks.

fnfalman · 08-07-2009, 03:12 AM

The Husky 610 isn't as race oriented as the 510 but it's still a high maintenance engine. The KTM 690 is a big different. It's all depending on which one you get, the SMC or SMR. The SMR is a lot more race oriented. As far as the KTM 690 being more street oriented, that's called the 690 Duke.

If maintenance is an issue then the DRZ400SM is the way to go.

Or if going balls to the wall is the whole idea behind a supermoto then cross off the Husky, the Hussy, the KTM, the Suzuki, the Ducati, the BMW, the Honda and sign on the line for the Aprilia SXV. If you want a true race pedigree motard with blinkers & lights, then the SXV is it. The SXV4.5 has zowy oomph. The SXV5.5 has shit-in-your-pants oomph.

pdog · 08-07-2009, 04:11 AM

Find me a used SV with ABS and I'll sell you my heavily modded DRZ. 42 hp on the dyno (32 stock) and you just change the oil every 1500 miles.

08-06-2009, 10:32 AM	#1
Krabill WERA Yellow Plate Join Date: Nov 2008 Location: Tulsa, OK Moto: 08 WR250R, 12 XTZ1200 Posts: 558	I haven't ridden a 610, but I've tried out a couple 690sm's. If I wanted a sumo, I'd get the 690 no question. You won't be wishing for more power, that's for sure, and it handles like a dirt bike. __________________ www.wrrdualsport.com www.designatedvaping.com

08-07-2009, 03:12 AM	#6
fnfalman Europhile Join Date: Mar 2008 Location: SoCal Moto: Aprilia RS125, Aprilia SR50 Factory, Aprilia Tuono, BMW Rockster, KTM 990 Adventure Posts: 1,875	The Husky 610 isn't as race oriented as the 510 but it's still a high maintenance engine. The KTM 690 is a big different. It's all depending on which one you get, the SMC or SMR. The SMR is a lot more race oriented. As far as the KTM 690 being more street oriented, that's called the 690 Duke. If maintenance is an issue then the DRZ400SM is the way to go. Or if going balls to the wall is the whole idea behind a supermoto then cross off the Husky, the Hussy, the KTM, the Suzuki, the Ducati, the BMW, the Honda and sign on the line for the Aprilia SXV. If you want a true race pedigree motard with blinkers & lights, then the SXV is it. The SXV4.5 has zowy oomph. The SXV5.5 has shit-in-your-pants oomph. __________________ *Cogito Ergo Vroom - I think therefore I ride*

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08-06-2009, 10:47 AM	#2
Sean giggity Join Date: Nov 2008 Location: socal Moto: street, sumo & dirty Posts: 1,071	610 is more of a real sumo with real dirt roots, the 690 is more of a street bike. Don't know if it'd be any good offroad. 610s can be had stupid cheap late in the year when shops like Malcom Smith start discounting, I've seen 'em listed for $6100. The 690 is probably more reliable--the 610 has some issues, throttle cable among them. The DRZ is a bulletproof tank but it's pretty slow.

08-06-2009, 02:22 PM	#4
Sean giggity Join Date: Nov 2008 Location: socal Moto: street, sumo & dirty Posts: 1,071	Compare to what? The 510 is a MX bike, not a street bike, so you have to treat it as such. The 06+ ones added a little oil capacity and some ignition changes but you still have to change the oil every 8 hrs of operation or so. Compared to other MX bikes and MX-based sumo conversions, it's easier, but compared to a street bike that weighs 200+ lbs more, it's a pain. As a weekend / trackday toy it's no big deal. Changing the oil is a 10 minute job, there are no panels to remove. Once the valves take a set they tend to stay that way. A Husky will last 4-5x as long as a Honda if broken in correctly.

08-07-2009, 04:11 AM	#7
pdog Refugee Join Date: Nov 2008 Location: San Francisco, CA Moto: Pimped 2005 SV650 Posts: 332	Find me a used SV with ABS and I'll sell you my heavily modded DRZ. 42 hp on the dyno (32 stock) and you just change the oil every 1500 miles.