man chases down home invader in car, shoots kills

[Kaneman]

If its just a difference in opinion then way make fun of those who think differently by calling them rednecks or chest thumpers?

I mean, I think your viewpoints related to self defense are ridiculous, but I give you credit because before I started reading your posts years ago I had no idea people actually thought like that. Seriously...it was eye opening.

Our biggest difference in this particular post is what we consider self defense. I consider what this guy did, chasing down the bad guys and doing some killing as self defense. To me defense is your response to a threat. These guys threatened him and his wife and he responded. It does not matter to me that he had to get untied and chase them down.

[tommymac]

Originally Posted by Kaneman

If its just a difference in opinion then way make fun of those who think differently by calling them rednecks or chest thumpers?

I mean, I think your viewpoints related to self defense are ridiculous, but I give you credit because before I started reading your posts years ago I had no idea people actually thought like that. Seriously...it was eye opening.

Our biggest difference in this particular post is what we consider self defense. I consider what this guy did, chasing down the bad guys and doing some killing as self defense. To me defense is your response to a threat. These guys threatened him and his wife and he responded. It does not matter to me that he had to get untied and chase them down.

I would think at that point the threat no longer exsisted though. Theyre out of the house and hopefully long gone. Now I applaud what the guy did esp taking a few skells out of the gene pool, and would like to think if I owned a gun may do the same thing to at least try to retrieve my stuff.

Tom

[Kaneman]

Originally Posted by tommymac

I would think at that point the threat no longer exsisted though. Theyre out of the house and hopefully long gone. Now I applaud what the guy did esp taking a few skells out of the gene pool, and would like to think if I owned a gun may do the same thing to at least try to retrieve my stuff.

Tom

Yea I understand what you're saying, but from my POV my property is now in danger and in order to defend it I have to chase it down and kill 4 guys. Defense to me means response. It means I didn't start the fight but I had to finish it. Luckily for me, my state law agrees:

"A person is justified in using deadly force against another to pervent the other who is fleeing after committing burglary, robbery, or theft during the nighttime, from escaping with the property and he reasonable believes that the property cannot be recovered by any other means; or, the use of force other than deadly force to protect or recover the property would expose him or another to a substantial risk of death or serious bodily injury. (Nighttime is defined as the period 30 minutes after sunset until 30 minutes before sunrise.)"

Unfortunately for this guy his state probably doesn't see it that way and he is going to go to prison. Damn shame, but I sure wish more people would react the same way he did.

Let me add here, I own some nice Samurai swords and I would've cut those dudes hands off so I say they got off lucky. Chuck Norris BITCHES!

[Homeslice]

Originally Posted by Kaneman

If its just a difference in opinion then way make fun of those who think differently by calling them rednecks or chest thumpers?

I mean, I think your viewpoints related to self defense are ridiculous, but I give you credit because before I started reading your posts years ago I had no idea people actually thought like that. Seriously...it was eye opening.

Our biggest difference in this particular post is what we consider self defense. I consider what this guy did, chasing down the bad guys and doing some killing as self defense. To me defense is your response to a threat. These guys threatened him and his wife and he responded. It does not matter to me that he had to get untied and chase them down.

To me, true self defense = your life or limb is in danger, so you defend yourself. So the only way this case could be called "self defense" is if you wanted to make sure someone doesn't threaten your life in the future, assuming they ever will. And that's a pretty big gray area. I could see how it might be legitimate for someone to think "That burglar had a weapon and I don't want him to have the opportunity to come back again, or threaten someone else." But the law has to create boundaries in order to avoid a slippery slope. That's why this guy will probably face charges.

[EpyonXero]

Originally Posted by Homeslice

To me, true self defense = your life or limb is in danger, so you defend yourself. So the only way this case could be called "self defense" is if you wanted to make sure someone doesn't threaten your life in the future, assuming they ever will. And that's a pretty big gray area. I could see how it might be legitimate for someone to think "That burglar had a weapon and I don't want him to have the opportunity to come back again, or threaten someone else." But the law has to create boundaries in order to avoid a slippery slope. That's why this guy will probably face charges.

I agree. I dont blame the old man for what he did, if someone tied me or my wife up and rob my house I might want to do the same thing he did. I just have a problem with people trying to call what he did self defense when if reality it was simply vengeance. Its only defense if you feel your life is in immediate danger and using your weapon is the only way out. The man was pissed and want to get back at the thieves so he chased them down and killed one.

The thieves deserved what happened to them but in a civilized society we cant have people running around exacting their own punishments.

[Kaneman]

Originally Posted by EpyonXero

I agree. I dont blame the old man for what he did, if someone tied me or my wife up and rob my house I might want to do the same thing he did. I just have a problem with people trying to call what he did self defense when if reality it was simply vengeance. Its only defense if you feel your life is in immediate danger and using your weapon is the only way out. The man was pissed and want to get back at the thieves so he chased them down and killed one.

The thieves deserved what happened to them but in a civilized society we cant have people running around exacting their own punishments.

But what you're also saying is that in a society we can't have people asking for the peaceful return of their possessions, and that is extremely unfortunate.

[Apoc]

I hope the cocksucker bled slowly and suffered. They should pin a fucking medal on his chest and parade him through the streets for ending the piece of shits life.

Fuck with me and point a gun at me, thats one thing. Fuck with my mother/father/sister/wife/gf or any combinateion of those, and I will kill you where you stand, wether you left my house or not. Point a gun at my mother, and I will hunt you to the ends of the fucking earth. Harm my sister, and you'll wish you had someone merciful like Hitler in charge of the torture.

Fuck that. Threaten my families life with weapons, and if I live I will fucking savagely and brutally murder you. They pointed guns at his wife, and he did what any man should be allowed to do in such a situation.