Suck on that Toyota

[fatbuckRTO]

Originally Posted by 101lifts2

Reliablity is measured by the number of reported problems, not by how well a vehicle actually holds up. So........if you deny you are at fault and reject paying for shit, your reliability is subsequently higher.

This is how Japan operates.

I'm sure it has nothing to do with the millions of people who only buy "Japanese" because they put 200k plus on their Toyotas with few or no problems and their "American" GMs were crapping out at 90k.

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[Papa_Complex]

Originally Posted by fatbuckRTO

I'm sure it has nothing to do with the millions of people who only buy "Japanese" because they put 200k plus on their Toyotas and their GMs were crapping out at 90k.

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Like the Tercel I had for 5 years, with no issues at all. Like the Corolla I had for 5 years and spent less than $1.5K in maintenance. Like the Camry that I had for 10 years and never had an issue that I didn't cause.

... or like the Dodge Dakota I had for 8 years, with every second service after the warranty was up costing me $1.5K+.

[101lifts2]

Originally Posted by fatbuckRTO

I'm sure it has nothing to do with the millions of people who only buy "Japanese" because they put 200k plus on their Toyotas with few or no problems and their "American" GMs were crapping out at 90k.

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You are talking about sales, not about reliability records, which of course can only be used to report quality issues.

When Toyota lauched it's 1998 vehicles (Enhanced EVAP mandate) the diagnostics only ran during the government tested EPA 23 cycle. Meaning they never ran the diagnostics in real world driving. So...when the other American OEMs had Check Engine lights on for gap caps missing or a small leak detected (and it was a big issue), Toyota did not. Subsequently after Toyota won the lawsuit against them from CARB (because the law never said the diagnostics had to actually run in the real world), CARB mandated Rate Based Diagnostics in 2005 to combat the potential fraud by Japanese OEMs (Toyota in general).

Even the California Air Resources Board doesn't trust Toyota...they have left too many a bad stain on things and bascially committed legal fraud.

When you keep the Check Engine OFF and deny blame (see the accelerator pedal, Tacoma tailgates, Sienna oil burning problems etc. etc. etc. I could on) your percieved quality goes up. The only reason you do not hear about these is because they will rarely post up bulletins or perform recals UNLESS they are forced to do so. And...the American public (dumb as they are) believes every bit of it.

They have proven to be a dishonest company to many.....you just don't hear about it.

[askmrjesus]

Originally Posted by 101lifts2

They have proven to be a dishonest company to many.....you just don't hear about it.

Yeah, I must have missed that memo, when they bought my '01 Tacoma from me, at 1.5 times retail because of potential frame rust issues.

The thing wasn't even under warranty, and I had bought it used.

Evil Jap Bastards, and their sneaky tricks!

Paying for my rental car while I shopped for a new truck was the final straw.

How dare they make GM look so bad.

JC

[101lifts2]

Originally Posted by askmrjesus

Yeah, I must have missed that memo, when they bought my '01 Tacoma from me, at 1.5 times retail because of potential frame rust issues.

The thing wasn't even under warranty, and I had bought it used.

Evil Jap Bastards, and their sneaky tricks!

Paying for my rental car while I shopped for a new truck was the final straw.

How dare they make GM look so bad.

JC

I assure you that they didn't buy your truck back because of surface rust: rather frame cracking and trying to shut you up. Could you imagine if you went to court and the governemt found out then forced them to replace frames on thousands of trucks?

The same is happening with the Tundra trucks.

[askmrjesus]

Originally Posted by 101lifts2

I assure you that they didn't buy your truck back because of surface rust: rather frame cracking and trying to shut you up. Could you imagine if you went to court and the governemt found out then forced them to replace frames on thousands of trucks?

The same is happening with the Tundra trucks.

Well no shit it wasn't just the rust.

The letter they sent me stated the frame could crack BEACASE of the rust. They did replace thousands of trucks, with no Government pushing.

Fuck dude, they must have combed through a shit ton of DMV registration records, to even find me in the first place. I bought it used from a private party, and never once went to a dealership for service.

Explain that.

JC

[Gas Man]

Originally Posted by Rider

This Toyota bashing is funny. Proof that uneducated people will stand behind shitty products as proof by the success of Walmart. Toyota has been the leading manufacturer in reliability for over 20 years. At least Toyota did something immediately and had a recall. Fuck, when Fords Explorers were flipping upside down because of bad tires they ignored the problem hoping it would just go away.

As said... they were forced. many auto makers do recalls on a volutentary basis. This definately wasn't one of them.

Originally Posted by Rider

You believe everything in print?

Do you?

Originally Posted by Cutty72

Yeah, Ford blamed Firestone, Firestone blamed the Explorer. I had an explorer with Firestone tires and it was fine. I blamed the idiot drivers.

Agreed!

Originally Posted by Rider

Who cares if they were forced into a recall. I know what I read in consumer reports and any other car magazine. I'm not bashing American cars here, but facts are facts and Toyota has been the most reliable auto manufacturer for YEARS. The uneducated is you to make a claim like that about me. You don't know me so shut your fucking mouth and crawl back under your rock.

I would not state that for Toyota. For jap motors... I think I would say Honda. Honda beats Toyota down every day of the week.

[101lifts2]

Originally Posted by askmrjesus

Well no shit it wasn't just the rust.

The letter they sent me stated the frame could crack BEACASE of the rust. They did replace thousands of trucks, with no Government pushing.

Fuck dude, they must have combed through a shit ton of DMV registration records, to even find me in the first place. I bought it used from a private party, and never once went to a dealership for service.

Explain that.

JC

They use R.L. Polk vehicle registration data to locate current owners. Every vehicle that is registered is stored in a database containing current customer information which can be given legally (the OEMs have to pay for the data though) without customer consent barring a safety related issue.

Most likely someone filed a complaint on the frame (or an accident occured/lawsuit etc.) and NTSHA was notified. Then, the issue was monitored for other occurences. If the number of occurences exceeded some threshold, then NTSHA will force Toyota to perform a recall. Again I can assure you the company was forced to replace or buy out your vehicle. Don't be fooled.

You want to know when a company takes care of you? Buy a vehicle with a 3/36 and then have something break at 45k (not emission or safety related). If the OEM pays for some of the labor or parts, then they are taking care of you. I can bet Toyota would tell you to go pound sand.

[101lifts2]

Originally Posted by Homeslice
The only problem with Explorers was that the owners manual only specified like 25 psi or something low like that, and on top of that, most drivers don't bother checking, so a lot of them probably dropped to 20 psi or less. Combine soft, mushy tires with Blonde female drivers putting on makeup while talking on the phone, and see what happens.....

Fixed again.

[askmrjesus]

Originally Posted by 101lifts2

Most likely someone filed a complaint on the frame (or an accident occured/lawsuit etc.) and NTSHA was notified. Then, the issue was monitored for other occurences. If the number of occurences exceeded some threshold, then NTSHA will force Toyota to perform a recall. Again I can assure you the company was forced to replace or buy out your vehicle. Don't be fooled.

I searched for a NTSHA recall number for a 2001 Toyota Tacoma, that related to any frame issues.

Couldn't find one. If you can find one, let me know.

It's obvious that any car maker would seek to limit damages from possible law suits, but in the case of my truck, it seems they were not "forced" by anyone.

Prove me wrong, GM boy.

JC