Suck on that Toyota

[101lifts2]

Originally Posted by Papa_Complex

If it's legal then it's a loophole, not fraud. If they were given standards to work to, and they did so, then it was government that failed.

... in the same way that they failed to curtail GM, Ford, and Chrysler when they started selling "light trucks" as passenger vehicles.

So do you trust a car company with your life that tries to find loopholes in shit? I mean come on. The regulation LIKE ALL OF THE OTHER OBD2 regulation was designed to work in the real world. In the Enhanced EVAP case, the EPA 23 test was only the test that the government used. And to clarify, it wasn't a matter that Toyota made sure it ran on the government testing route, moreso that the software ONLY ran the diagnostic when it detected that the governemt test was running. That IMO is fraud. They purposely detected that the specific government test was running and ONLY ran the diagnostic then; never in the real world. This was the reason CARB sued Toyota...and IIRC, Toyota did pay 200 million for it.

[Papa_Complex]

Originally Posted by 101lifts2

So do you trust a car company with your life that tries to find loopholes in shit? I mean come on. The regulation LIKE ALL OF THE OTHER OBD2 regulation was designed to work in the real world. In the Enhanced EVAP case, the EPA 23 test was only the test that the government used. And to clarify, it wasn't a matter that Toyota made sure it ran on the government testing route, moreso that the software ONLY ran the diagnostic when it detected that the governemt test was running. That IMO is fraud. They purposely detected that the specific government test was running and ONLY ran the diagnostic then; never in the real world. This was the reason CARB sued Toyota...and IIRC, Toyota did pay 200 million for it.

No, I don't trust car companies. I go by my experience. That's why I went back to a Japanese vehicle.