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[tallywacker]

Originally Posted by Gas Man

What's the point either way? I think they should just let things be whatever they are.

I really don't know what it changed. It's not like you can act like a flamer in the military anyways. It's the next step to get family housing for same sex's. It's a landslide of pay problem's waiting to happen. Ton's of soldiers are going to lie about it to get the extra family pay and to get out of the barracks.

[derf]

Originally Posted by tallywacker

I really don't know what it changed. It's not like you can act like a flamer in the military anyways. It's the next step to get family housing for same sex's. It's a landslide of pay problem's waiting to happen. Ton's of soldiers are going to lie about it to get the extra family pay and to get out of the barracks.

Nope nothing is going to change. Federal gov still doesnt recognize gay marriage, so if someone is gay they cant claim benefits for their other, that person doesnt get medical, commisary/PX/housing/any additional pay/any benefits.

The only thing that changes is that you can say "yes Ebbs is gay".

But until it changes there are some big problem, UCMJ still covers sodomy (punishable by death), and good order and discipline (still punishable by lashings)

[tallywacker]

Originally Posted by derf

Nope nothing is going to change. Federal gov still doesnt recognize gay marriage, so if someone is gay they cant claim benefits for their other, that person doesnt get medical, commisary/PX/housing/any additional pay/any benefits.

The only thing that changes is that you can say "yes Ebbs is gay".

But until it changes there are some big problem, UCMJ still covers sodomy (punishable by death), and good order and discipline (still punishable by lashings)

It's all going to be changed. This ruling makes all of those easily changed. It sets a precedent to make those other violations null.

After years of contentious debate, the Senate on Saturday voted to repeal the "don't ask, don't tell" policy that blocked gays and lesbians from serving openly in the military.

While critics, including Arizona GOP Sen. John McCain, said the repeal would cause a deadly distraction on the battlefield at a time of war, the lawmakers backing repeal equated the vote to other historic moments including the end of racial segregation among troops in the 1950s and the decision to allow women to attend military service academies in the 1970s.

"It is time to close this chapter in our history," President Obama said in a statement hailing the vote's passage. "It is time to recognize that sacrifice, valor and integrity are no more defined by sexual orientation than they are by race or gender, religion or creed."

Yet the repeal is far more than just a single policy shift. The overturning of "don't ask, don't tell" is likely to create a ripple effect in addressing other gay-rights issues, as many states continue to debate issues including same-sex marriage and the right of gay partners to share benefits the same way legally married couples do. With gay service members serving openly, it will become difficult for policy makers to justify, say, withholding visitation rights or survivor benefits to the same-sex spouse of a wounded or fallen soldier.

Still, such questions will surface over the longer term. For now, the Pentagon will address the shorter-term issue of how to go about implementing repeal. Obama is expected the sign the repeal into law this week, but the actual lifting of the ban doesn't yet have a timetable. Under the bill, the repeal will go into effect at the discretion of top military leaders, including Defense Secretary Robert Gates, who has been previously supportive of overturning the ban.

But per NBC's Jim Miklaszewski, Defense Department officials said Saturday that the repeal could take in upwards of a year to be fully implemented.

Logistics aside, however, opponents of the gay ban called Saturday's vote a historic victory. Since 1993, when President Bill Clinton signed the ban into law, more than 13,000 troops have been discharged under the policy.

But there's been a dramatic shift in public attitudes toward gays in the military over the last 17 years. In 1993, a Washington Post poll found just 44 percent of the public thought gays should have the right to serve openly in the military. Now 77 percent of Americans believe gays and lesbians should have that right, according to a Washington Post-ABC poll released last week.

In 2008, Obama campaigned on overturning the ban, but he was slow to push that policy in his first year in office, a move that angered the gay rights community and many of his liberal supporters.

While Obama will get some credit for overturning the ban—especially when it comes to wooing moderate Republicans on the issue—Democrats in Congress were the people who really led the charge.

The Senate vote was 65-31, with eight Republicans—Scott Brown of Massachusetts, Richard Burr of North Carolina, Susan Collins and Olympia Snowe of Maine, John Ensign of Nevada, Lisa Murkowski of Alaska, Mark Kirk of Illinois and George Voinovich of Ohio—voting "yes."

"We righted a wrong," Sen. Joe Lieberman, who led the fight to overturn the ban, told reporters afterward. "Today we've done justice."

The debate has just begun. This opened a floodgate of possible changes. It's only a matter of time till gay marriage is accepted because "partners" are going to want death benefits of their soldiers and other military spouse benefits.

[derf]

Originally Posted by tallywacker

It's all going to be changed. This ruling makes all of those easily changed. It sets a precedent to make those other violations null.




The debate has just begun. This opened a floodgate of possible changes. It's only a matter of time till gay marriage is accepted because "partners" are going to want death benefits of their soldiers and other military spouse benefits.

Yes, eventually, but for right now the only that changed is that folks cant get kicked out.

I believe the military will follow a very conservative route with this, they dont want to piss off congress too much.

[tallywacker]

Originally Posted by derf

Yes, eventually, but for right now the only that changed is that folks cant get kicked out.

I believe the military will follow a very conservative route with this, they dont want to piss off congress too much.

They can try whatever path they want, but once conflicts start happening lawsuits will surface and supreme court decisions will most likely determine the chain of events.

[Trip]

Originally Posted by tallywacker

They can try whatever path they want, but once conflicts start happening lawsuits will surface and supreme court decisions will most likely determine the chain of events.

The one constant that remains in this country is that this won't be put back in action. Hating someone because they are gay is retarded.

[tallywacker]

Originally Posted by Trip

The one constant that remains in this country is that this won't be put back in action. Hating someone because they are gay is retarded.

Pretty much.

[derf]

Originally Posted by Trip

The one constant that remains in this country is that this won't be put back in action. Hating someone because they are gay is retarded.

yup

I really dont see any lawsuits, but I'll bet a few guys who come out of the closet get their asses kicked, and I bet there will be a ton of girl on girl action