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[derf]

Originally Posted by azoomm

Scared of it, using both, all this I've encountered. But to never touch it? No wonder they aren't confident riding, they aren't ever sure they are going to stop.

Just because they never touch it doesnt mean that they are not proficient at using the back brake. I would be willing to bet that the people you are refering to are all awesome at using the back brake, in fact I would be willing to bet in a rear brake only stopping contest they would kick most of our asses. The folks that I have met who only use the back brake because that is what they learned years ago quickly become very proficient at using it, to the point that in day to day riding their stopping is indistinguishable from people who use just the front or both.

[KSGregman]

Originally Posted by derf

Just because they never touch it doesnt mean that they are not proficient at using the back brake. I would be willing to bet that the people you are refering to are all awesome at using the back brake, in fact I would be willing to bet in a rear brake only stopping contest they would kick most of our asses. The folks that I have met who only use the back brake because that is what they learned years ago quickly become very proficient at using it, to the point that in day to day riding their stopping is indistinguishable from people who use just the front or both.

Not sure how that is possible given that 75% of the stopping power of a modern modern cycle is generated by the front brakes. My 109-R laughs at the rear brake. I seldom use it.

[derf]

Originally Posted by KSGregman

Not sure how that is possible given that 75% of the stopping power of a modern modern cycle is generated by the front brakes. My 109-R laughs at the rear brake. I seldom use it.

All I'm saying is that someone who only has ever used the rear brake is gonna be more profficient at using the rear brake only than you or I will be at using the rear brake only.

[Trip]

Originally Posted by derf

All I'm saying is that someone who only has ever used the rear brake is gonna be more profficient at using the rear brake only than you or I will be.

I disagree. Someone who uses both will be the most proficient. That person will learn to carry much greater speed into a corner and be able to use that brake at that greater speed, this will drastically increase the difficulty of properly applying that rear brake.

A rear braker is an easy mark on a race track. You can do two things to them. You can simply just outbrake them because they have to start their braking way before you or you can force them to carry more speed than they can lose if they try to brake with you and watch them run wide as you slip by...

A person that knows both front and rear braking will be more likely to be highly adept to backing it in as well.

[101lifts2]

Originally Posted by Trip

....A rear braker is an easy mark on a race track. You can do two things to them. You can simply just outbrake them because they have to start their braking way before you or you can force them to carry more speed than they can lose if they try to brake with you and watch them run wide as you slip by...

A person that knows both front and rear braking will be more likely to be highly adept to backing it in as well.

Who in the ever fuck uses only the rear brake on the track? Or am I reading this wrong?

[Trip]

Originally Posted by 101lifts2

Who in the ever fuck uses only the rear brake on the track? Or am I reading this wrong?

noobs and a certain mod use to do it to, but I think they went to front brake use finally.

[derf]

Originally Posted by Trip

I disagree. Someone who uses both will be the most proficient. That person will learn to carry much greater speed into a corner and be able to use that brake at that greater speed, this will drastically increase the difficulty of properly applying that rear brake.

A rear braker is an easy mark on a race track. You can do two things to them. You can simply just outbrake them because they have to start their braking way before you or you can force them to carry more speed than they can lose if they try to brake with you and watch them run wide as you slip by...

A person that knows both front and rear braking will be more likely to be highly adept to backing it in as well.

I agree that using both brakes is the best, most of your braking power is in the front wheel, O amended my statement to be more clear.

[azoomm]

Originally Posted by derf

All I'm saying is that someone who only has ever used the rear brake is gonna be more profficient at using the rear brake only than you or I will be at using the rear brake only.

And, I'm saying, they aren't proficient at handling a motorcycle. From the people I've seen ride that way, their riding abilities have been stunted because they are doing it wrong. The rear brake just isn't strong enough to stop efficiently. It takes too much planning, it's like doing complicated math while riding.