Republican says something stupid...

[fatbuckRTO]

Originally Posted by Smittie61984

The plant closed in April of 2009. I may be no calendar scholar but I'm pretty sure January of 2009 comes before April of 2009.

http://www.bizjournals.com/milwaukee...9/daily16.html

GM’s Janesville assembly plant closed Dec. 23, putting the plant's remaining 1,200 workers out of a job.

Here's a chance to brush up on your calendar scholarliness:

If an article is written on December 29, 2008, and references a plant closing on December 23 in the past tense, what is the latest year to which that article can be referring?

There is no need to re-write the question in your answer.

"Oh, but 50 people stuck around until April to crank out a few Izuzu parts and decommission the plant! It's clearly Obama's fault!"

Bullshit.

[Smittie61984]

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Originally Posted by fatbuckRTO

http://www.bizjournals.com/milwaukee...9/daily16.html

Here's a chance to brush up on your calendar scholarliness:

If an article is written on December 29, 2008, and references a plant closing on December 23 in the past tense, what is the latest year to which that article can be referring?

There is no need to re-write the question in your answer.

"Oh, but 50 people stuck around until April to crank out a few Izuzu parts and decommission the plant! It's clearly Obama's fault!"

Bullshit.

Fair enough, though they were still running and President Obama could of done something to bring it back. Not that it's the President's job to do that but if he said he'd promise then he should at least try. That asshole can funnel money into Chicago to repave roads that were just repaved (and tolled to death) you'd think he could try and do shit for them. Then again he put out a lot of promises.

Personally I say fuck those UAW assholes, I hope every single one of them starved their fat asses to near-death for the bullshit they turned out that cost me tons of money to fix because they put out absolute and complete shit. I'll never own an American company car again. I'll only buy Japanese company cars which are usually built in America but without Union assholes fucking everything up. My Honda sportbike can go 50k miles of bad oil changes and abuse but my old Chevy made POS needs repair more than it needed an oil change.

And also after having to work with those fucking pricks, my biggest regret is not grabbing a lawn chair with a 12 pack of imported beer, to camp out at the GM plant in Atlanta when it closed and watch those mentally retarded fucks walk out knowing they are too stupid to ever get another job above ditch digger, much less a $50-$100 an hour job, then laugh at them.

[Homeslice]

Originally Posted by Smittie61984

Personally I say fuck those UAW assholes, I hope every single one of them starved their fat asses to near-death for the bullshit they turned out that cost me tons of money to fix because they put out absolute and complete shit. I'll never own an American company car again. I'll only buy Japanese company cars which are usually built in America but without Union assholes fucking everything up. My Honda sportbike can go 50k miles of bad oil changes and abuse but my old Chevy made POS needs repair more than it needed an oil change.

In most cases, the reason you had a bad experience with your car was due to sub-standard design, testing, and parts sourcing......Not because of assembly-line labor. IMO at least.

[pauldun170]

Originally Posted by Homeslice

In most cases, the reason you had a bad experience with your car was due to sub-standard design, testing, and parts sourcing......Not because of assembly-line labor. IMO at least.

Agreed.

[Smittie61984]

Originally Posted by Homeslice

In most cases, the reason you had a bad experience with your car was due to sub-standard design, testing, and parts sourcing......Not because of assembly-line labor. IMO at least.

I worked at a machine shop doing what we called "union proofing" when we did stuff directly for GM. We normally worked with their sub-contracters becuase we could work with them easier. I have 100s of examples and reasons why the UAW is fucking over GM.

The design is a result of UAW demands on HOW they can assemble the car. We had to design (though GM never put it in use) a bracket to hold up the hoods of those ugly ass vans they use to make due to no support beucase the radiator wasn't in. With the radiator out the corners of the hood would bend up and some monkey would beat it down at QA. THey didn't put the radiator in due to demands on how a worker would have to move around. By the way, I've seen tons of hoods come down the line in the wrong color. It goes to the back yard where they switch the hoods.

Parts sourcing can be put on the UAW also. GM has to put in shitty parts to make a profit becuase contrary to popular belief, a company is suppose to make money. I remember at the GM plant in Atlanta (before it thankfully closed) there was a room full of old timers. The room was in hte middle of the building with no windows. When the shift started the lights went out and they went to sleep for their shift (gotta sleep off that hangover somehow). When they come into work they're usually making OT in the $100s an hour. They can't get fired becuase they get full benefits AND a $300,000 severance package when fired (it benefits them to get fired). There were usually about 12 guys in the room at one time every single day. Basically GM has to pay those assholes and can't put in the nice stuff because a Malibu would cost as much as a Mercedez when it was over.

The GM Corvette plant in Kentucky is hte exception to the rule. They get the good workers of other plants and bring them up there. People tour the Corvette plant and you can't have hte typical UAW worker in their. People would just be staring at a guy staring back at them all day.

But regardless of who's fault, I wont' own an American Company car because the American workers they staff suck and I hope they all lose their jobs.

[pauldun170]

Originally Posted by Smittie61984

The design is a result of UAW demands on HOW they can assemble the car.

I'm going to go out on a limb and speak from a position of ignorance (I'm pretty good at that you know)

In any mass produced design, don't you have to take into account the manufacturing process? So if you design something and the folks who will do the actual assembly come up to you and say "Aint gonna happen in this plant with these tools" wouldn't it be a good idea rethink the design?
Designing an elegant solution doesn't amount to much if its going to be a pain in the ass to manufacturer (hence cost more to build).

I worked in manufacturing for 7 years but that was back in the 90's.
Before online porn changed everything

[Smittie61984]

The way the a UAW worker assembles a car vs a non-union worker for Kia, Toyota, and even BMW is much different.

GM can't go by the same standards as foreign car manufactures do because of union demands. Basically engineer designs process, process is put into practice and as expected changes need to be done, ground engineers say this is what needs to be done but while that happens you have a UAW representative standing there usually saying "We're not doing that" without even looking at a single blueprint or concept. Seen it happen first hand and why American car manufactures are doomed to fail. Then put this arrogent prick back in office and unions will know they run the auto-industry. Oh, and don't think the UAW will be gunning to unionize the foreign car companies if President Obama is reelected.

[fatbuckRTO]

Originally Posted by Smittie61984

Oh, and don't think the UAW will be gunning to unionize the foreign car companies if President Obama is reelected.

The UAW has been doing that for as long as there have been foreign car companies manufacturing in the States. They gunned for unionization under President Bush, they gunned for unionization during President Obama's first term, and they'll continue to gun for unionization even if Romney is elected.

I have no idea how a President Romney would react to UAW unionization efforts. But I have a pretty good idea of how Governor Romney of Massachussetts would react...

[Papa_Complex]

Originally Posted by pauldun170

I'm going to go out on a limb and speak from a position of ignorance (I'm pretty good at that you know)

In any mass produced design, don't you have to take into account the manufacturing process? So if you design something and the folks who will do the actual assembly come up to you and say "Aint gonna happen in this plant with these tools" wouldn't it be a good idea rethink the design?
Designing an elegant solution doesn't amount to much if its going to be a pain in the ass to manufacturer (hence cost more to build).

I worked in manufacturing for 7 years but that was back in the 90's.
Before online porn changed everything

Why would they start taking that into account now? It's not like they considered that someone with hands bigger than a 3 year old would ever have to change a headlight bulb.