Gun owners 'outed' in NY

[fasternyou929]

Originally Posted by fasternyou929

I can't tell if you're just not reading what I am saying, being intentionally obtuse, or worse.

Originally Posted by Trip

I can't tell if you are a just a fucking moron or pretending to be one. The information is available, someone making it into a pretty map is of no consequence.

So it's the last one. I figured as much but tried to give you the benefit of the doubt.

Totally unrelated - ever notice when Avatard resorted to dropping F-bombs to make a point, it made him sound like a knuckle-dragging mouth breather that couldn't see what was right in front of him, no matter how many times people tried to explain it?

[Trip]

Originally Posted by fasternyou929

So it's the last one. I figured as much but tried to give you the benefit of the doubt.

Totally unrelated - ever notice when Avatard resorted to dropping F-bombs to make a point, it made him sound like a knuckle-dragging mouth breather that couldn't see what was right in front of him, no matter how many times people tried to explain it?

Please explain to me how in a free country it's a crime or wrong to make legally obtained information put in a pretty form? If you have a problem with the information being freely available, wouldn't it make sense to go to the source providing the information?

[fasternyou929]

Originally Posted by Trip

Please explain to me how in a free country it's a crime or wrong to make legally obtained information put in a pretty form? If you have a problem with the information being freely available, wouldn't it make sense to go to the source providing the information?

I never said it was a crime, and I've given reasons above why I think it's wrong. If you don't agree with them (or refuse to acknowledge them), we're on different sides of the fence, and your side of the fence worries me. I think it's an abuse of the act to take a massive amount of information via FOIA and publish an interactive map.

You think the map is silly and irrelevant. I think it's the crux of the problem and the argument/discussion.

[Trip]

Originally Posted by fasternyou929

I never said it was a crime, and I've given reasons above why I think it's wrong. If you don't agree with them (or refuse to acknowledge them), we're on different sides of the fence, and your side of the fence worries me. I think it's an abuse of the act to take a massive amount of information via FOIA and publish an interactive map.

You think the map is silly and irrelevant. I think it's the crux of the problem and the argument/discussion.

I don't think attacking the map will do anything and thus is irrelevant. The paper seems to be enjoying the reaction, maybe not as much anymore since they hired guards after getting death threats, but they show no interest in taking it down. You need to go after what is allowed with FOIA releases to actually cause real change. Hell, you could make the map illegal and they would have to remove it. Instead, what has been accomplished, is giving the paper a ton more publicity.

[fasternyou929]

Originally Posted by Trip

I don't think attacking the map will do anything and thus is irrelevant. The paper seems to be enjoying the reaction, maybe not as much anymore since they hired guards after getting death threats, but they show no interest in taking it down. You need to go after what is allowed with FOIA releases to actually cause real change. Hell, you could make the map illegal and they would have to remove it. Instead, what has been accomplished, is giving the paper a ton more publicity.

I strongly disagree with your first statement. The Westboro Baptist get a lot of publicity too, but you don't see too many copycats. There is a point when there is such a thing as bad publicity.

I don't think we need more laws, we're pretty well covered there, and the paper is not guilty of a crime other than moral bankruptcy and blatant stupidity. Ideally people would recognize what the paper has done and take their business elsewhere rather than support them. The troubling part is the number of people that support them.

[Trip]

Originally Posted by fasternyou929

I don't think we need more laws, we're pretty well covered there, and the paper is not guilty of a crime other than moral bankruptcy and blatant stupidity. Ideally people would recognize what the paper has done and take their business elsewhere rather than support them. The troubling part is the number of people that support them.

Because people don't care til it effects them. Already been through an against a FOIA fight that impacted my life and lost. People that weren't effected didn't give a shit then either.

[fasternyou929]

Originally Posted by Papa_Complex

First they came for the pedophiles.
...
Then they came for the gun owners--and there was no one left to speak for me.

Originally Posted by Trip

Because people don't care til it effects them. Already been through an against a FOIA fight that impacted my life and lost. People that weren't effected didn't give a shit then either.

Welcome to the half-way point of this thread.

[Papa_Complex]

Originally Posted by Trip

Because people don't care til it effects them. Already been through an against a FOIA fight that impacted my life and lost. People that weren't effected didn't give a shit then either.

So nuke 'em.

[CasterTroy]

Originally Posted by Trip

You need to go after what is allowed with FOIA releases to actually cause real change. Hell, you could make the map illegal and they would have to remove it. Instead, what has been accomplished, is giving the paper a ton more publicity.

I dunno Trip, I'm with 929 on this one....your argument (while true) is akin to saying if you want to STOP Westboro Baptist (since that was brought up) you need to blame President John Adams for signing the first amendment which ALLOWS them the vehicle to BE the dousche bags they are.

And while you're correct in the fact that the (theoretical) MAP itself isn't illegal, NOR is any of the information provided ON said map...to publish it and endanger people in that manor is WRONG.

What it boils down to, is while it's not illegal to do some things...."back in the day" your ass woulda got DELT with over stuff like this, and it just wouldn't HAPPEN.

I mean, "back in the day" if you were to jump up on the courtyard wall at lunch in HS and tell everyone that Tito's momma was a whore because she slept with [name all the confirmed penis penetrations] that wouldn't be technically "illegal". In fact...it'd be basically announcing publically what many already knew. But we'd expect Tito to go into yo ass over it, and no one would likely bat an eye.

Nowadays....thanks to PC and bullying laws, the pussification of america would not only protect you, but would put Tito away for life for even looking at you wrong after such an announcement in the courtyard.

The country has gone to shit. Basically because we no longer hold anyone accountable for doing something we all know is WRONG, but not illegal.

[Papa_Complex]

Originally Posted by Trip

Please explain to me how in a free country it's a crime or wrong to make legally obtained information put in a pretty form? If you have a problem with the information being freely available, wouldn't it make sense to go to the source providing the information?

Well off the top of my head, I would say that it's wrong because it creates a situation in which people whose information is abused have no recourse, as the people who have requested it act as an information buffer between the source, and the destination.

A crime? No. Morally repugnant? Yes.