How to hang off the bike

[jtemple]

I have a question for you guys that have access to real twisties. What does the feedback from the bike feel like, when you're coming close to breaking a tire loose? You don't just suddenly lose it and lowside, do you? Is there some kind of warning that you're pushing it too far?

There's no knee-dragging going on in my neck of the woods, is why I ask. You'd have to break triple digits in a turn to get that low.

[Trip]

Originally Posted by jtemple

I have a question for you guys that have access to real twisties. What does the feedback from the bike feel like, when you're coming close to breaking a tire loose? You don't just suddenly lose it and lowside, do you? Is there some kind of warning that you're pushing it too far?

There's no knee-dragging going on in my neck of the woods, is why I ask. You'd have to break triple digits in a turn to get that low.

Sometimes you can feel it slipping, sometime you just go down without any feedback. Just depends on conditions and what causes you to lose it.

[OneSickPsycho]

That pic never gets old.

[ceo012384]

Originally Posted by jtemple

I have a question for you guys that have access to real twisties. What does the feedback from the bike feel like, when you're coming close to breaking a tire loose? You don't just suddenly lose it and lowside, do you? Is there some kind of warning that you're pushing it too far?

There's no knee-dragging going on in my neck of the woods, is why I ask. You'd have to break triple digits in a turn to get that low.

Short answer is yes, there is some warning, but that's only if you're riding correctly.

Kinda like trip said, it depends WHY you are losing traction.

If you're hanging off and your arms are nice and loose, you'll be losing traction literally due to the tire's limitations. In that case it is predictable and you'll feel the bike moving around a bit underneath you. That's another benefit of being loose is that you can easily feel what the bike is doing.

If you're putting pressure on the handlebars and the bike hits a little bump/crack and the front starts to move around, the gyroscope (wheel) can't correct itself because you're pressuring the handlebar... and BAM. You're down before you can say "tuck the front".


While dragging knee is a good gauge for lean angle (if you have a repeatable body position) and it just 'feels' right... it is not a good gauge of if you are at YOUR limits. With improper technique you will crash at a lean angle much smaller than that required to drag knee.

That's part of why I crashed in T3 last september... the tires were cold, and my handlebar pressure and tense upper body / arms didn't allow the bike to correct itself.

[Trip]

You can loose without notice while riding correctly, tires play an important role in this even when they are hot. Pilot powers have what I like to call a death rattle before they decide they have had enough. It kinda feels like vibration to let you know you are about to be on your ass. Qualifiers from my experience just start slipping. Corsa IIIs seem to follow the Qs line of thinking.

[Cutty72]

Originally Posted by Trip

You can loose without notice while riding correctly, tires play an important role in this even when they are hot. Pilot powers have what I like to call a death rattle before they decide they have had enough. It kinda feels like vibration to let you know you are about to be on your ass. Qualifiers from my experience just start slipping. Corsa IIIs seem to follow the Qs line of thinking.

My experience with Corsa III's they step out a bit, just enough to warn you, and if you don't correct what you are doing in like .2 seconds, they go all the would go all the way.

[Trip]

Originally Posted by Cutty72

My experience with Corsa III's they step out a bit, just enough to warn you, and if you don't correct what you are doing in like .2 seconds, they go all the would go all the way.

They don't really warn you, they just start sliding, you can learn to control the sliding though. PPs vibrate before they start sliding as a warning.

[Cutty72]

Originally Posted by Trip

They don't really warn you, they just start sliding, you can learn to control the sliding though. PPs vibrate before they start sliding as a warning.

Good to know as PP's will be my next tire on the 1125, in an attempt to gain a couple thousand miles of wear.

[dReWpY]

Originally Posted by Trip

You can loose without notice while riding correctly, tires play an important role in this even when they are hot. Pilot powers have what I like to call a death rattle before they decide they have had enough. It kinda feels like vibration to let you know you are about to be on your ass. Qualifiers from my experience just start slipping. Corsa IIIs seem to follow the Qs line of thinking.

supercorsa's just kind of slide, the good kind of "nice easy predictable back end is doing its thing, dont mind it" wholesome fun...

[Trip]

Originally Posted by drewpy

supercorsa's just kind of slide, the good kind of "nice easy predictable back end is doing its thing, dont mind it" wholesome fun...

Kyle said Bargy says you are not trying hard enough unless you are sliding the tires.