How to hang off the bike

[ceo012384]

Originally Posted by drewpy

ur gonna make a nice addition to the board

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[ceo012384]

Originally Posted by Trip

You rotate around the tank and square your shoulders, not your hips.

Originally Posted by zortness

Pridmore says rotate around the tank (imagine you had a string going from your suit to your gas cap) only about 3 - 4 inches. This can change depending on the turn and ground clearance, but that's a good baseline. I find this puts about half of my ass off the seat, sometimes more. It also keeps your inside knee tucked in closer to your fairings, so you get a more accurate feel of how far the bike is actually leaned over.

Maybe we're all misunderstanding eachother but I still think this pivot around the tank thing is bullshit. Maybe just the way you guys are describing it is confusing me though...

I'm not trying to start an argument but I've been thinking about this and talking to some track folks about it.

I don't see any benefit to NOT squaring your hips to the bike. (Pridmore can do whatever he wants at that level so leave him out of it). All it's going to do is encourage bad things, like crossing up, bar pressure, not looking through the turn, not leading with your shoulder/chin, etc etc etc....

Square the hips and shoulders, bodyline parallel to bike centerline. This is what I do, this is what I see all the pros doing. Very slight deviations from this depending on the rider and what makes them comfortable and relaxed. Maybe a larger deviation for some people (pridmore, doohan, duhamel, etc etc etc)... but the general rule of thumb is what I described... eh?





Or maybe I'm just not understanding what you guys are saying????

[Trip]

look at you and look at stoner, you are stood straight up with your knee sticking straight out awkwardly and he is leading and down in a comfortable position, you are not in the same body position and that photo is not at a good angle to see how his hips are.

Take a look at the master at work:

[ceo012384]

Originally Posted by Trip

look at you and look at stoner, you are stood straight up with your knee sticking straight out awkwardly and he is leading and down in a comfortable position, you are not in the same body position and that photo is not at a good angle to see how his hips are.

How can you not see how his hips are? Look at his ass and the bike, they are exactly perpendicular, therefore his hips are square to the bike. The only difference is that he is leaning more than me and has his torso down more. His body is lined up with the bike and his hips and shoulders are square.

I see what you mean in the Rossi photos, his hips are slightly tweaked but his hips aren't literally against the tank and rotated around it. And that's just part of his style and you can easily find images where he's not doing that:

This fucking image won't load but here's the link...?
http://api.ning.com/files/8Ma8FzF-wo...6121050687.jpg

His hips are square... his outside leg is pressing against the tank and his inside leg is not even close to it.

[ceo012384]

And Hayden:



And biaggi:

[Trip]

Originally Posted by ceo012384

How can you not see how his hips are? Look at his ass and the bike, they are exactly perpendicular, therefore his hips are square to the bike. The only difference is that he is leaning more than me and has his torso down more. His body is lined up with the bike and his hips and shoulders are square.

I see what you mean in the Rossi photos, his hips are slightly tweaked but his hips aren't literally against the tank and rotated around it. And that's just part of his style and you can easily find images where he's not doing that:

This fucking image won't load but here's the link...?
http://api.ning.com/files/8Ma8FzF-wo...6121050687.jpg

His hips are square... his outside leg is pressing against the tank and his inside leg is not even close to it.

You are completely overthinking this, you aren't pressed against the tank with your hips. That makes you sit straight up. You are back in the seat. It's hard to explain on the net but all those riders pics you posted are doing it. The key is more the legs rotating around the tank when you slide into position when your head and shoulders go forward it will square your spine. If you look at your pics, you aren't bringing your head down and forward, but just sticking you leg straight out and going straight off the bike. You are not squared off, when you start bringing your upper body into play you will notice this rotation.

[DLIT]

Originally Posted by Trip

You are completely overthinking this, you aren't pressed against the tank with your hips. That makes you sit straight up. You are back in the seat. It's hard to explain on the net but all those riders pics you posted are doing it. The key is more the legs rotating around the tank when you slide into position when your head and shoulders go forward it will square your spine. If you look at your pics, you aren't bringing your head down and forward, but just sticking you leg straight out and going straight off the bike. You are not squared off, when you start bringing your upper body into play you will notice this rotation.

Word.

[DLIT]

Originally Posted by ceo012384

How can you not see how his hips are? Look at his ass and the bike, they are exactly perpendicular, therefore his hips are square to the bike. The only difference is that he is leaning more than me and has his torso down more. His body is lined up with the bike and his hips and shoulders are square.

I see what you mean in the Rossi photos, his hips are slightly tweaked but his hips aren't literally against the tank and rotated around it. And that's just part of his style and you can easily find images where he's not doing that:

This fucking image won't load but here's the link...?
http://api.ning.com/files/8Ma8FzF-wo...6121050687.jpg

His hips are square... his outside leg is pressing against the tank and his inside leg is not even close to it.

You're taking rotating around the tank too literal. You don't have to be up against it, you need to be back a bit to put weight on the rear tire. And yo've been to a shitload of track days now, you should know where your max lean is. You don't need to stick your knee way out like that anymore, unless you were just trying to get a feel after the wreck or something. Not every rider's the same either. I prefer the rotate technique and kind of leading with the hip, that's why you don't see my upper body way down and out, it doesn't feel comfortable to me. And I barely kick my knee out anymore because I know where my max lean is. I get the lean low enough and kick my knee out just a little bit and once it hits I know I have some room to play with, but not too much. You wanna see crossed up, check out Mic Doohan from back in the day. He dominated on his 500 and he was crossed up as fuck.

We all know the basics and we all have experience. I've taken the basics and tweaked them to make the bike more comfortable to me. Is it the right form? Maybe, maybe not. I do know that I still have a lot more to learn and perfect though.

[OreoGaborio]

The issue is that the phrase "rotate around the tank" can mean different things to different people. Some people will envision this as getting all crossed up... some people will see it as pointing their shoulders down towads the ground.... some people will see it as leaning way in w/ their upper body but leave their lower body closer to the center of the bike... and some (most), including myself, see it as "rolling" off the bike, keeping your chest pointed towards the bike and your hips/shoulders pointed downwards instead of moving laterally OVER the bike.

"Rotate around the tank" is very vague and this is why I don't use this wording when teaching this subject.


by the way, the giant pic of Rossi at the bottom of page 2... see where he's looking? It looks as though he's beginning to transition to a left hand turn, that's why his hips are at an angle to the center of the bike. You move your upper body a split second before your lower body so it's easier to get yourself up & over w/o using your arms.

[Trip]

Originally Posted by OreoGaborio

The issue is that the phrase "rotate around the tank" can mean different things to different people. Some people will envision this as getting all crossed up... some people will see it as pointing their shoulders down towads the ground.... some people will see it as leaning way in w/ their upper body but leave their lower body closer to the center of the bike... and some, including myself, see it as "rolling" off the bike & keeping your chest/hips pointed towards the bike instead of moving laterally OVER the bike.

"Rotate around the tank" is very vague and this is why I don't use this wording when teaching this subject.


by the way, the giant pic of Rossi at the bottom of page 2... see where he's looking? It looks as though he's beginning to transition to a left hand turn, that's why his hips are at an angle to the center of the bike. You move your upper body a split second before your lower body so it's easier to get yourself up & over w/o using your arms.

Very good point about the phrase, rotating is the only way I could think of how to describe it, it's so much easier to demostrate. When I show people what I am talking about I usually put the bike up on a stand and demo what I mean.