All in the rider...

[Trip]

Originally Posted by OreoGaborio

Definitely.

The TD organization I work for actually has an unconventional policy regarding looking behind you... As I'm sure you guys know, most TD organizations discourage looking back under all conditions, but we actually ask our customers to take a quick peek back once established on the front straight. If there's no one back there, then feel free to pull the trigger... but if there are a few bikes stacked up behind you, we just ask that you don't go wide open so that the people behind you can get by.

It's worded in a way that best curbs people's egos and relieves the tension that's created when a more experienced rider on a lightweight bike gets stuck behind a less experienced rider on a middle or heavyweight. It's a policy that's worked quite well at our venue and people seem to respond quite well to it.

STT tries to do that, it's unsuccessful most of the time. I watched this older guy on a motard at NSS just flying through the corners, but he would get stuck behind the same people over and over again because they would pass him in the long straight and then by the time he caught up was able to pass them, it was time for the straight again where they would blow past him.

[OreoGaborio]

Originally Posted by Trip

STT tries to do that, it's unsuccessful most of the time. I watched this older guy on a motard at NSS just flying through the corners, but he would get stuck behind the same people over and over again because they would pass him in the long straight and then by the time he caught up was able to pass them, it was time for the straight again where they would blow past him.

Yup... it certainly doesn't work all the time, but luckily there's always the option of pitting in & rolling down hot-pit to let the slower rider get out ahead, then heading back out on clear track.

We always stress the fact that there are faster riders out on track on slower bikes... GENERALLY our customers are pretty courteous, but if they're not we have no problems giving them a friendly reminder back in the pits.

[Dnyce]

tig, all i was sayin was the advanced class mimics racing conditions in most cases it seems, basically agreeing with chi. u were in intermediate, and shouldnt have gotten taken out, or even passed on the inside to begin with. that sux





whats the big deal with getting passed anyway? if theyre quicker, let em by. hell, let em by and try and follow their line, u might learn somethin. why is that so hard?

[Amber Lamps]

Originally Posted by Dnyce

tig, all i was sayin was the advanced class mimics racing conditions in most cases it seems, basically agreeing with chi. u were in intermediate, and shouldnt have gotten taken out, or even passed on the inside to begin with. that sux





whats the big deal with getting passed anyway? if theyre quicker, let em by. hell, let em by and try and follow their line, u might learn somethin. why is that so hard?

Oh yea,I can appreciate that completely! Btw imho,the only thing worse than a guy that goes into advanced before he is ready,is a fast guy that hangs around in novice/inter just so he can make himself feel superior.

Oh and I don't mind getting passed when I expect it to be possible but when I'm in a class with a no passing in the corners rule and some jackass can't wait for the series of corners to be done...

I will admit one thing,I've never taken track days seriously and only took them with a buddy for fun. Same thing at the drag strip. I see my motorcycle as fun and transportation and not as a challenge. In fact,when I ask questions about set-up/etc,I mainly just want to feel comfortable at the speeds I travel. Not so I can go any faster than I do now. I like having ALOT in reserve!

[jeeps84]

Ive done lots of track days and been on both ends of being passed and passing. Most all groups or clubs Ive rode with don't allow passing in novice and clean passing in advanced.

[Cutty72]

trackaddix you can pass in novice.
they "prefer" you pass in the straights, but clean passes are allowed in turns as well.

[the chi]

The rule is 6 ft typically, but 6 inches is more like how it usually works...and is still usually considered a clean pass. However our experienced class is called the RACE class for a reason, the guys riding in our experienced or race level are all licensed (or soon to be) racers in our area. Oh yeah, lets not forget, especially in the NOVICE class, you have ALOT of newbies that misjudge speed, turns and alot of different factors, and they are most likely not stuffing you or interfering with your ride intentionally. They dont even know you are there, or they tried to make the pass thinking they had the room and didnt, not out of malice or trying to wreck you. I know I have misjudged a turn and I try to apologize in person to someone I buzzed on accident or interefered with, and its a good way to meet new track friends, expecially when they realize you arent some asshole and werent out there to get them!

I'm not attacking your track experience Tig, nor saying it should be a racing type thing, cuz its not. You go out there to improve your riding skills, both on and off the track. But the truth of the matter is, egos and testosterone get in the way no matter what the rules are and people are going to break them and things happen. Its not right, but it happens. I know that when I go to the track, I can expect for some inexperienced or inconsiderate rider to refuse to allow me to pass, or to stuff me in a corner or to pass me too closely and I accept this as fact. Its part of the track.

Its a personal decision on my part to risk myself and my bike out there, and there is no one to blame but myself if I get hurt, since I made the decision to go in the first place, even if I wreck thru no fault of my own.

Like CEO, it wasnt his fault the chick went down, but it happened, he accepted it and continues on to the track. Thats his choice.

You made the one to stay away, its yours. Stop being so defensive, no one cares enough to call you out and question your personal decisions or the reasons for them.

No how bout we go back to the point of the thread instead of arguing about non related items?

Skill pwns bigger bike on track. Period.