refused service because of bad tipping

[wildchild]

Originally Posted by Kaneman

I don't know where you eat, but I get stellar service 90% of the time...and we eat out quite a bit. Stay away from chain restaurants run by a corporate entity that really treat their people like shit and you'll get better service....and usually better food.

TGIFridays? Really? People still eat that shit? Jesus.

just a thought here but maybe you get great service 90% of the time because you return to establishments where you recieve great service?

i know i do. i even request certain servers when I go. great service, great tip, and I'll make sure to get your table next time. it's a reciprocating thing.

[t-homo]

Originally Posted by Papa_Complex

Or maybe, just maybe, we should get back to a situation in which we actually have professional servers, who earn that "gratuity"?

Main Entry: gra·tu·ity
Pronunciation: \grə-ˈtü-ə-tē, -ˈtyü-\
Function: noun
Inflected Form(s): plural gra·tu·ities
Date: 1540

: something given voluntarily or beyond obligation usually for some service; especially : tip

So what would a professional server do better than the college students who are working their way through college and eatin ramen at home?

[OTB]

Originally Posted by Papa_Complex

Or maybe, just maybe, we should get back to a situation in which we actually have professional servers, who earn that "gratuity"?

Main Entry: gra·tu·ity
Pronunciation: \grə-ˈtü-ə-tē, -ˈtyü-\
Function: noun
Inflected Form(s): plural gra·tu·ities
Date: 1540

: something given voluntarily or beyond obligation usually for some service; especially : tip

Actually, we do have "professional" servers; people who have gone to school for service, done legnthy apprenticeships for little money, worked their way up through better and better establishments, so perhaps, depending on the [places you frequent, you may come across one.

By the same token, I was GM of a 3 star place a few years back; most of the staff were VERY talented. But every barrel always has a bad apple or two. I had one waiter that scooped up a smaller (10%) tip off a table, scoot up to the front of the restaurant and hand it back to the customer with the remark...."Here, you must need this more than I do".........

Fired on the spot.......

[z06boy]

A lot of very good points being brought up on both sides of this argument. I do tip and tip fairly well imho BUT it is earned...not just deserved for slapping down my plate of food and walking off and forgetting about me.

I absolutely don't agree with NOT tipping unless the service is terrible.

Below average service warrants a below average tip and above average service deserves an above average tip...pretty easy I think.

I also DON'T send food back ever...too many horror stories on that one.

[Apoc]

Ya, you guys seem to be missing the point Tmall is getting at, ill put it in simpler terms for a simpler audience. And thats pretty much, that if your dumb enough to work for less than minimum wage, fuck ya....

That shit isnt even legal here. Minimum wage is like 7.50 up here or something. You cannot pay anyone less than that. Its the MINIMUM FUCKING WAGE.

And im a great tipper, probably tip far more than 15-20%, I dont actually do the math. But I sure as fuck expect good service if your gonna get that tip.

[t-homo]

Originally Posted by Apoc

Ya, you guys seem to be missing the point Tmall is getting at, ill put it in simpler terms for a simpler audience. And thats pretty much, that if your dumb enough to work for less than minimum wage, fuck ya....

That shit isnt even legal here. Minimum wage is like 7.50 up here or something. You cannot pay anyone less than that. Its the MINIMUM FUCKING WAGE.

And im a great tipper, probably tip far more than 15-20%, I dont actually do the math. But I sure as fuck expect good service if your gonna get that tip.

So it is dumb to work a job where you could potentially earn quite a bit more if you do well at it, than to work a job where you are set at 7.50 an hour. Makes sense. To the simpler mind, of course.

[wildchild]

Originally Posted by t-homo

So it is dumb to work a job where you could potentially earn quite a bit more if you do well at it, than to work a job where you are set at 7.50 an hour. Makes sense. To the simpler mind, of course.

No it's dumb to work a job that pays less then minimum PLUS EARNED TIPS and then complain when you don't get tips because they were NOT EARNED. you take the position saying i think i can bust ass and make big coin and if a patron feels you haven't EARNED a large tip you feel slighted. (i do not mean you personally here just a server in general)

you take a less then minimum job knowing you may actually make less then minimum wage unless you EARN THE TIPS

[Kaneman]

Originally Posted by wildchild

No it's dumb to work a job that pays less then minimum PLUS EARNED TIPS and then complain when you don't get tips because they were NOT EARNED. you take the position saying i think i can bust ass and make big coin and if a patron feels you haven't EARNED a large tip you feel slighted. (i do not mean you personally here just a server in general)

you take a less then minimum job knowing you may actually make less then minimum wage unless you EARN THE TIPS

This isn't about crappy servers not making money, its about good servers getting screwed over by tightwads. No one is arguing that you should tip your server no matter how bad their service was.

This relates to added gratuity, usually for large parties, which is a management effort to stop large parties from taking all their server's time and then fucking them on the tip...which is very common with large parties.

Originally Posted by wildchild

just a thought here but maybe you get great service 90% of the time because you return to establishments where you recieve great service?

i know i do. i even request certain servers when I go. great service, great tip, and I'll make sure to get your table next time. it's a reciprocating thing.

Yes, I've never said anything counter to that.

[Kaneman]

Originally Posted by Apoc

Ya, you guys seem to be missing the point Tmall is getting at, ill put it in simpler terms for a simpler audience. And thats pretty much, that if your dumb enough to work for less than minimum wage, fuck ya....

That shit isnt even legal here. Minimum wage is like 7.50 up here or something. You cannot pay anyone less than that. Its the MINIMUM FUCKING WAGE.

And im a great tipper, probably tip far more than 15-20%, I dont actually do the math. But I sure as fuck expect good service if your gonna get that tip.

That's the point that the Tmall crowd misses. Servers are not working for less than minimum wage, they're working for tips. When people are too cheap to tip despite getting good service you're fucking up the system and messing it up for everyone else.

[z06boy]

Originally Posted by Kaneman

That's the point that the Tmall crowd misses. Servers are not working for less than minimum wage, they're working for tips. When people are too cheap to tip despite getting good service you're fucking up the system and messing it up for everyone else.

Yep...that's why people from Canada and the US don't see eye to eye I guess.

Minimum wage doesn't exactly mean the same thing to both. In the US minimum wage is different for the service industry...at least food servers anyways.