MotoGP round 4 Le Mans 05/15/11 **SPOILERS**

[fasternyou929]

Originally Posted by smileyman

I read the story, but I guess I am old school. Punch me on the warm up lap for any reason and you likely wont make the next corner...

You should read it again... it wasn't the warm-up lap, it was qualifying and RdP hosed 2 of Casey's laps by riding slow on the race line near start/finish.

From what I've read, that's been a pretty big issue during qualifying. People ride slow along the race line, waiting for someone to come by they can latch onto for a tow.

[fasternyou929]

I don't disagree he should have handled it differently, I only said something because the difference bewteen someone screwing up 2 qualifying laps vs. your warm up lap is night and day.

Have you ever raced or done a track day? Just curious. No matter what your skill level, it's easier to go faster when you have a rabbit to chase. It's great when you are the one following, not so much when you're the rabbit being used to lower your competitors qualifying time and show them where they can pick up speed around the track.

[tommymac]

Originally Posted by fasternyou929

I don't disagree he should have handled it differently, I only said something because the difference bewteen someone screwing up 2 qualifying laps vs. your warm up lap is night and day.

Have you ever raced or done a track day? Just curious. No matter what your skill level, it's easier to go faster when you have a rabbit to chase. It's great when you are the one following, not so much when you're the rabbit being used to lower your competitors qualifying time and show them where they can pick up speed around the track.

They can also see where youre slower and faster which can help wityh passing in the race.

I agree on getting a tow, whenever I either follow someone or see a bike off in the distance my goal is to catch them and if/when I do and pass them I am like ok now what

[shmike]

Originally Posted by fasternyou929

I don't disagree he should have handled it differently, I only said something because the difference bewteen someone screwing up 2 qualifying laps vs. your warm up lap is night and day.

Have you ever raced or done a track day? Just curious. No matter what your skill level, it's easier to go faster when you have a rabbit to chase. It's great when you are the one following, not so much when you're the rabbit being used to lower your competitors qualifying time and show them where they can pick up speed around the track.

Honestly, I don't see anything wrong with getting a tow but I can see how the faster guys would be annoyed by it.

What I would have a problem with is them waiting ON THE RACE LINE for a tow.

Want to follow a fast guy? Fine: Ride along the grass until he passes you.

[smileyman]

Originally Posted by fasternyou929

I don't disagree he should have handled it differently, I only said something because the difference bewteen someone screwing up 2 qualifying laps vs. your warm up lap is night and day.

Have you ever raced or done a track day? Just curious. No matter what your skill level, it's easier to go faster when you have a rabbit to chase. It's great when you are the one following, not so much when you're the rabbit being used to lower your competitors qualifying time and show them where they can pick up speed around the track.

Yeah, I raced (endurance and sprint) for many years. Never qualifying though, always gridded by points, entry time, or draw in. And I agree following a faster someone to learn the line is a good deal as long as you dont crash them getting in behind.

I think that would be something to use in P1 and 2 but not in Qualifying. If you did your homework that should be just you and the track, after all, if you can't do the time, your gonna get blown into the weeds in lap one no matter where you start...

[anthonyk]

I could have sworn that punching incident from Stoner was during the Sunday morning warmup, not qualifying.

Edit: Yep, WUP: http://www.motogp.com/en/news/2011/w...ort+le+mans+gp

[fasternyou929]

^My mistake, either I read an article that called it wrong or I rememberred it wrong. Either is completely plausible this week.

[smileyman]

Well one of the most basic things they go over with you in prov nov school is not to slow on the racing line. Sure Depuniet might have been waiting for a tow but regardless if it was P1, 2 Q, or simply warm up, you do that off line. And I think if he spent less time looking back wards and more time working on his set up and pace he might fair better.

That said punching someone cause you dont get your way is dumb and immature.

[L8 Braker]

Speed.com has an AWESOME 5+ minute recap vid, and at about 2:32 it shows Pedrosa clearly out in front of Simoncelli going into the corner, when Simoncelli cuts into Dani's line, forcing Pedro down...The announcers go into detail about how it's Simo's fault...

VIDEO - SPEED - Le Mans

[Porkchop]

Originally Posted by Dave

Ill agree marco made a dick move but dani was clearly out of control and overcooking prior to the collision

THIS.

Originally Posted by L8 Braker

Speed.com has an AWESOME 5+ minute recap vid, and at about 2:32 it shows Pedrosa clearly out in front of Simoncelli going into the corner, when Simoncelli cuts into Dani's line, forcing Pedro down...The announcers go into detail about how it's Simo's fault...

Bull.... Dani got in the corner at too deep of an angle and stood it up. You dont enter a corner at that angle without racing somebody thats on the outside of you. I think he saw Sic outbraking him on the outside, he knew he couldnt make the corner at that angle with someone on the outside, and stood it up. He would have run off, but planted it into Sics wheel. This is racing, not fucking motorcycle dancing. Besides, Sic was faster at the time.

Originally Posted by fasternyou929

You should read it again... it wasn't the warm-up lap, it was qualifying and RdP hosed 2 of Casey's laps by riding slow on the race line near start/finish.

From what I've read, that's been a pretty big issue during qualifying. People ride slow along the race line, waiting for someone to come by they can latch onto for a tow.

Crutchlow has some good commentary in the Moto 2 race about the problem.