"stand your ground" doesn't work

[Homeslice]

I say whether or not someone instigated it is a lot less important than whether or not he justifiably felt his life was in danger.

Sounds like we all agree Zimmerman is a dick, and that he shouldn't have done what he did. But, we have no idea whether he felt his life was in danger. If he did, then lethal force is justified.

Punish him separately for instigating, if you wish. That issue should be totally disconnected from the right to defend.

I'm not sure why certain states feel it necessary to create this whole "stand your ground" BS, when a simple standard of whether someone could reasonably believe that their life is in immediate danger should be enough. At least that's how it is in most normal states. I would not call FL or NH or TX normal states.

Then again, I haven't bothered to read the whole law, so I'm talking out of my ass as usual.

[askmrjesus]

Originally Posted by Homeslice

I say whether or not someone instigated it is a lot less important than whether or not he justifiably felt his life was in danger.

I think the application of the old grade school excuse is valid;

"Well, HE started it!".

I see a bunch of Hell's Angels on the side of the road. So I pull over and say, "I heard you guys all like to take it in the ass!".

Now they're coming toward me, and I'm afraid for my life, so I shot them all.

No, that shit shouldn't fly under, "stand your ground".

Don't start shit, won't be shit.

JC

[Papa_Complex]

Originally Posted by Homeslice

I'm not sure why certain states feel it necessary to create this whole "stand your ground" BS, when a simple standard of whether someone could reasonably believe that their life is in immediate danger should be enough.

Why? Because it gains votes from a bunch of thick headed knuckle draggers, who don't understand how the law is supposed to work.

Originally Posted by askmrjesus

Don't start shit, won't be shit.

Yes, of course. Ancient Tibetan philosophy.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4JdLbYinkZQ

[RACER X]

(Mytheos Holt) Florida neighborhood watch volunteer George Zimmerman will imminently put NBC News on notice — legally — that doctoring tapes inaccurately has consequences.

Back when the news first broke that Zimmerman shot unarmed black teenager Trayvon Martin, one of the main bits of evidence that anti-Zimmerman commentators used to condemn the accused was the tape of Zimmerman’s 911 call leading up to the shooting.

Usually, they would point to one line in particular: “This guy looks like he’s up to no good. He looks black.”

There’s just one problem: that line, as it was played, didn’t exist. The call had been doctored by NBC News staffers — who were subsequently fired — seemingly to make Zimmerman sound racist.

This is what was actually said:

Zimmerman: This guy looks like he’s up to no good. Or he’s on drugs or something. It’s raining and he’s just walking around, looking about.

Dispatcher: OK, and this guy — is he black, white or Hispanic?

Zimmerman: He looks black.

The edit failed to include the key question that put Zimmerman‘s mention of Martin’s race in context.

Now, the New York Post reports that Zimmerman is suing NBC for this apparent attempt to malign him using doctored tapes:

Trayvon Martin shooter George Zimmerman is suing NBC over the network’s botched editing of his 911 tape, Page Six can exclusively reveal.

We hear Zimmerman’s attorneys are about to file a complaint against NBC and its top executives, naming news president Steve Capus and correspondent Ron Allen, who was the reporter on the scene for the broadcast on “Today” on March 27. He also remained the reporter for the story on “NBC Nightly News.”

A source tells us, “The suit will be filed imminently against NBC and its news executives. The network’s legal department has put everybody in the news department involved with this incident on notice, telling them not to comment.”

[Smittie61984]

In journalism school a required class besides "how to waste money on a useless degree" should be "if some random bloggers who are really into typewriters can notice a fake typewriter superscript in a news report, what do you think they'll do with video and audio?"

I assume these journalists are at least educated with a 4 year degree. Even at your dumbest community colleges you have to have some brain power to make it through. I understand editing out useless details but they had to of known that a major story like this is going to have people fine combing over everything. Fuck, what school did those people go to to be so fucking stupid? Top 20 or bottom 20?

[Homeslice]

Originally Posted by RACER X

(Mytheos Holt) Florida neighborhood watch volunteer George Zimmerman will imminently put NBC News on notice — legally — that doctoring tapes inaccurately has consequences.

Back when the news first broke that Zimmerman shot unarmed black teenager Trayvon Martin, one of the main bits of evidence that anti-Zimmerman commentators used to condemn the accused was the tape of Zimmerman’s 911 call leading up to the shooting.

Usually, they would point to one line in particular: “This guy looks like he’s up to no good. He looks black.”

There’s just one problem: that line, as it was played, didn’t exist. The call had been doctored by NBC News staffers — who were subsequently fired — seemingly to make Zimmerman sound racist.

This is what was actually said:

Zimmerman: This guy looks like he’s up to no good. Or he’s on drugs or something. It’s raining and he’s just walking around, looking about.

Dispatcher: OK, and this guy — is he black, white or Hispanic?

Zimmerman: He looks black.

The edit failed to include the key question that put Zimmerman‘s mention of Martin’s race in context.

Now, the New York Post reports that Zimmerman is suing NBC for this apparent attempt to malign him using doctored tapes:

Trayvon Martin shooter George Zimmerman is suing NBC over the network’s botched editing of his 911 tape, Page Six can exclusively reveal.

We hear Zimmerman’s attorneys are about to file a complaint against NBC and its top executives, naming news president Steve Capus and correspondent Ron Allen, who was the reporter on the scene for the broadcast on “Today” on March 27. He also remained the reporter for the story on “NBC Nightly News.”

A source tells us, “The suit will be filed imminently against NBC and its news executives. The network’s legal department has put everybody in the news department involved with this incident on notice, telling them not to comment.”

[RACER X]

oops wrong thread, lol